19841980s TV SHOWS
"SEX FOR SALE: MALE PROSTITUTES" WITH HUSTLERS -- JOE, ANTHONY, BILL, PATRICK, ANTONIO
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DAVID SUSSKIND INTERVIEWS AND DISCUSSES MALE PROSTITUTES, HUSTLERS, SEX WORKERS. "HUSTLER JOE" AND OTHERS IN 1984. PROSTITUTES ARE IN DARK SHADOWS SO THEIR IDENTITY CANNOT BE REVEALED.
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David Susskind 0:00
Good evening, I'm David Susskind. men have used prostitutes for 1000s of years and the Call Girl and The Hooker have become staples in movies and television shows. But what about the other side of the coin women going to male prostitutes? Yes, there are such men, hustlers, male prostitutes and you are going to meet five of them tonight. We'll begin after this pause. |
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David Susskind 0:26
Do male prostitutes really exist? Well, my guests claimed the answer is yes. And they should know. They are hustlers, male prostitutes, and they say that their business is booming. Please meet them now. Incidentally, they are all in shadow to protect their identities. First Bill. Bill has been in the business for about nine years. He charges between 100 and $125 an hour for his services. Antonio is 20. And he has been a hustler for three years. He often works in tandem with his partner Jessica. Joe is in his 40s and has been in the business for seven years. He recently moved to New York a couple of months ago from California. Anthony is a school teacher. He's been moonlighting as a male prostitute for the last three years. Patrick recently moved to New York from Florida. He has been in the business for seven years, and has occasionally received new cars as gifts from his clients. A question I'm going to be asked on this program is where did you get the guests? How did you get the guests? You are here voluntarily? "Joe" (male prostitute) 1:36 Yes, we're here voluntarily. David Susskind 1:37 And you are all legitimate male hustlers prostitutes? "Joe" (male prostitute) 1:42 right? David Susskind 1:43 All right, then they're gonna ask, why did they come on? What is the answer? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 1:49 Well, I don't see I don't consider myself a prostitute in in that way, you know David Susskind 1:54 What do you call yourself "Patrick" (male prostitute) 1:55 like an escort David Susskind 1:57 Escort? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 1:58 Yeah "Joe" (male prostitute) 1:58 I don't consider myself a hustler. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 2:00 I Strictly go women. I don't go guys or anything like that with a lot of people go both, you know? David Susskind 2:07 Right. Joe, "Joe" (male prostitute) 2:08 I said, I don't consider myself a hustler. That has a connotation of, you know, docking somebody for something. What I do is voluntary all the way around, I get paid. It's pre established. David Susskind 2:22 Your full time job is servicing women sexually. "Joe" (male prostitute) 2:26 Now, it's not my full time job. It's probably the major source of my income. I do some writing. I've got a background in computers. I do some things in programming. But those are from my own account for contracts that I arranged myself. I don't have an employer outside. David Susskind 2:47 Okay, Antonio, and Bill. You are male prostitutes. "Bill" (male prostitute) 2:52 Yeah, yeah. Since we provide a service, I think it's David Susskind 2:56 That's your business exclusively. "Bill" (male prostitute) 2:58 No, I'm a hairdresser. David Susskind 3:00 You're a hairdresser. It's a good recruiting place. "Bill" (male prostitute) 3:05 Sometimes, I try not to mix them too much. Isn't it isn't? Yeah. David Susskind 3:12 All right. Now, how do you decide to become? Why did you decide to become a prostitute? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 3:19 Because involved in it is pleasure? Okay. And sometimes when I get out of it myself, I get to meet, you know, people that I wouldn't have met otherwise. Okay. And in a way, I sort of enjoy it. Okay, and enjoy what I do. So that makes me good at it. And I believe David Susskind 3:37 how did it start? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 3:38 How did it start? David Susskind 3:39 Antinio, how did it start? Did someone come up to you and ask you? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 3:42 Yeah, when I was 17, I had a young lady a girlfriend of mine. And I was going through some financial hardships in my life, right? And as a joke, I told her, I said, Why don't you go downtown and get a job, you know, working in the business and the life, okay. And she took me up on it. And I couldn't believe it. When she came home. She told me that she didn't she had gotten a job, once later had passed. And then she made me a proposition. She said, What I work with her. And that's how I started. That's how I started to go down to 42nd streets to work in places such as show world let's scout the seedy little sexual shops where you perform like live sex acts upon stage David Susskind 4:18 you've done that? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 4:19 Yes I have. David Susskind 4:20 How did you graduate from there to one on one, having a lady with money ready to pay for sex. "Antonio" (male prostitute) 4:27 Someone else in the business had told me they said you'd met you would make a lot of money if you'd like put an ad in the paper, and then do it on your own. Instead of working for a company who takes maybe 60% of all your money and gives you only 40%. Again, if you did it on your own, you'd make more money, and it'd be much easier for you. And that's how I started and I just put my own ad in the paper David Susskind 4:49 What about the matter of pride or ego? "Anthony" (male prostitute) 4:54 For me, I feel proud enough as just being what I am now. Having a reputable vocation. I just was never born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I needed to subsidize my income. And what I'm doing I don't, I'm not ashamed of it. I've always had it in my blood I've been I've been in a center for I started out doing this to some kind of nudity, one extent, to another. David Susskind 5:22 What kind of nude pictures? "Anthony" (male prostitute) 5:24 I made nude pictures. I started out doing a centerfold. That was my big debut in nudity at nudity. And from there, just branched off magazine went hand in hand. It was a New York based magazine. David Susskind 5:37 You want to talk about? Alright. How did you happen to get into this peculiar business? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 5:43 Well, I met a woman in Florida. She worked. She was a real estate, you know, broker, I got involved with her. I lived with her daughter first. And I got involved with her. And then from that went on, in most of my people taking the financial back and, like bought me motorcycle bought me car, jewelry, clothes. I was things like that, "Anthony" (male prostitute) 6:09 that that's the classic sofa, so called quotes. Case of being a gigolo I never took, "Patrick" (male prostitute) 6:17 that's what it is. It's not prostitute, it's not really not a prostitute "Anthony" (male prostitute) 6:21 I prefer the connotation of gigolo myself. But that's, that's playing the game to the next to me trying to get cars and girls and money and getting paid for you. I've done this as a stepping stone to other things. When I got to a point of being at a personal level with them, I tended to use them as a social reference to my life to increase enhance my lifestyle in other ways. I've gotten involved with interesting things. And it came to the point where I didn't ask for a fee anymore. It was a personal level, I've gotten to a point where it's been personal to me now, and these are well established what to do, ladies. And it's been interesting that way, David Susskind 7:01 when you meet the wealthy ladies that you service, would you meet? Where did you meet the last one? "Anthony" (male prostitute) 7:09 Through maybe a friend, but that all stemmed from maybe an ad and paper or some kind of source? They can find you. David Susskind 7:17 You all advertise your wares? Where? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 7:23 should we say? "Joe" (male prostitute) 7:24 I think I'd rather not say there are certainly people listening who will cause they'll look it up and hassle us "Anthony" (male prostitute) 7:31 advertise, give us up, do my phone numbers be great, "Patrick" (male prostitute) 7:34 I don't have a time. That's it. I just don't, there's no need to advertise, David Susskind 7:39 Do you go where rich women are. "Bill" (male prostitute) 7:42 Well usually there, that seems to be the first people whose attitudes have, you know, evolved with everything else, you know, with women's liberation, and, you know, attitudes just change. And you know, the women know that the men do it. I worked in a strip show for three years. And it was, I guess, the way I got started, and you know, the opportunities were just there. And, "Joe" (male prostitute) 8:08 but it provides a convenience for a lot of women to, you know, busy women, accomplished women, you do it at the time, that's most convenient for them. Many instances, they don't have time to be bothered before, after they don't, they don't want to be bothered. They want somebody who can provide them some entertainment, who's not going to bother them later. Unlike some situations, most women really have a full life and are not looking for an attachment. They're looking for pleasure. And they want to be let alone before and after. That's fine, too. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 8:46 At the same time, they want to look for something unusual. And it's almost a fantasy. David Susskind 8:51 You bring women's sexual fantasies to live you. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 8:55 Yeah, for sure. We just going into a dark room and then doing our job and going right out of their lives again, it's like, you know, being swept out of their feet off their feet for the for the hour for the time. It's "Bill" (male prostitute) 9:07 I know, man evolves a lot, you know, the husband's calling and requesting you know, he with a wife, "Joe" (male prostitute) 9:14 I get laid that way. David Susskind 9:16 The husband calls you? "Bill" (male prostitute) 9:17 Oh Yeah, matter of fact, I would say that most of mine are through husbands, right. David Susskind 9:22 And the husbands want you to "Bill" (male prostitute) 9:24 And the husband's let you know the telephone that they don't want anything to do with you sexually. It's just, it's I think it has to do it. The man is really in love with his wife, and it's something he can't provide or whatever it is, if you're physically more able than he is, or whatever. And they're not always old people. They're not always young, they're the spectrum is real wide. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 9:44 Plus, the woman is very inhibited and calling themselves and needy husband for the male mate to sort of be the front. "Bill" (male prostitute) 9:50 It's a safety factor too I think. Like I said before "Joe" (male prostitute) 9:53 How often are you guys called by a woman as opposed to a man making the arrangement. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 9:59 a handful. In my whole career "Joe" (male prostitute) 10:02 arrangements provide protection. I mean, the woman doesn't know what she's really getting into. I mostly called by man and they're most often there in order to watch. Often they watch. It's like having their own 3d Porno show very often thy watch "Bill" (male prostitute) 10:18 Usually it's a male that's involved in setting it up, whether he's there or not, I don't care if you if it's a gay male, who is a friend of the ladies, and she can tell him about it. You know, a lot of times a female can't tell us straight friend that, uh, you know, she wants to do this. So some, I've had a lot of pre arranged things through, you know, a gay male has nothing to do with and he wants to make sure that, you know, he feels that your presence is safe for the lady, and then he'll leave. And he'll make you know, she may he may say call me when it's over or whatever. But you know, why is it that? David Susskind 10:51 Well, isn't that something eerie? Something a sick man calling unless he's had his operation. "Bill" (male prostitute) 10:58 But David, why would it why why in the house is the man usually the one who carries the garbage out in the alley and the ladies want to does the dishes because of the lady took the garbage out in the alley, she's allowed to get attacked and everything else. So this way, at least it's a big safety factor, "Joe" (male prostitute) 11:11 or contact that she doesn't want to talk "Bill" (male prostitute) 11:15 in a male strip to show and it was it was a class show, right behind Chippendales. And the woman said, as long as they were safe within the confines of this building, they would go crazy, they would do anything. I mean, after the show behind the curtain or anything else. So let me know that there was an attitude kind of males have, it's just that they have to feel safe to be able to do it. I mean, when you're looking for a fantasy, you're not looking to be, you know, molested, you're looking for pleasure. And that's exactly what they're what we're trying to give them. David Susskind 11:45 Because it goes against the ancient male attitude of possessivness. "Bill" (male prostitute) 11:52 Yeah, exactly. And the reason why because the men are the ones who keep the, the ladies uptight about it. I work in a show of more than five men showed up in the audience. The ladies were uptight, because the men were watching them. They were scrutinizing they were making judgments. But when there were 600, women in the audience, five, I mean, five men don't make a dent at all. And the ladies don't feel intimidated by the men. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 12:15 I mean the interesting thing about couples, if I can say is that when a couple comes to see me. I mean, they're all lovey dovey with each other. And they ended up having, they end up walking out feeling better about each other, and I end up being like, the loneliest guy in the world. You're not a threat. We're a service. Yeah. And we're not a threat. David Susskind 12:35 But yeah, the couple came to see you. That was for the purpose of your servicing the wife, "Anthony" (male prostitute) 12:41 the wife, and she would join in, of course, maybe in positions, you know, he likes his wife, two weeks here and there in different positions. And that would make them closer, actually, at the end of the session, it would, it would actually make them closer, you know, and they need to do it regularly. It's unusual, it's different experiments for them. "Joe" (male prostitute) 12:59 You know, a lot of men have been curious for a long time about how much they're satisfying their wives and how how competent they are. And they look for an opportunity without a lot of social pressure to find out how their performance is. If they can take the wife to a professional, or have a professional come in someone who's making his living this way, or the better part of it this way. And then they can make a judgement, they can be informed, there's a great deal that we don't know about, about sexual relationships. And this is a way to get their answers. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 13:34 I've learned a lot about myself doing this, that's for sure. Yeah, "Bill" (male prostitute) 13:38 yeah. Remember, David this is probably the most uptight country in the world as far as sexual sexuality goes. I mean, attitudes. "Joe" (male prostitute) 13:49 I don't know about that. "Bill" (male prostitute) 13:50 Well, I mean, they're, they're more oppressive countries, but still, this country is opening up a little bit. But why is this so new, then? not new. But I mean, why is the it's not fully accepted David Susskind 14:04 Well because they've been, they've been mores, they've been conventions, they've been moralities that render the kind of work you do around with these a lot of times illegal and immoral and unacceptable. "Joe" (male prostitute) 14:19 Yeah, we've been we've been channeled I think away from our true natures, in some instances, maybe for good reasons. But I think our true nature is probably would all be bisexual, all men or women would tend to be bisexual, except that were channeled from the time we learned to speak, to do one thing or another. David Susskind 14:38 I'm pretty happy about that channel. "Joe" (male prostitute) 14:40 Well I'm not unhappy about that either, but it is there. You have a choice and people are curious to know what is like outside the channel. David Susskind 14:48 Alright, we'll come right back to where we are after this pause. |
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David Susskind 14:51 A couple of quick questions. Do you like women? "Bill" (male prostitute) 14:57 Of course, David Susskind 14:58 of course. You love women? "Anthony" (male prostitute) 15:02 I can I get tired of them. I think they're fascinating. I, you know, every angle, you look at them, they're appealing to me and I can eat them all up. iT'S GREAT David Susskind 15:12 You eat them all up. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 15:14 I think they are So hard to figure out too. That's what makes it interesting. "Bill" (male prostitute) 15:17 Amen. David Susskind 15:18 Patrick, you feel the same way. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 15:19 I prefer older women than younger girls. David Susskind 15:22 Why? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 15:23 They're much more mature. They're not looking for like to go out discos and go crazy. They want like a nice quiet evening out. Let's learn how to wine and dine and how to eat well. They show you the right things. They teach you the right things about life. David Susskind 15:38 Your idea of the perfect woman would be a 45 year old. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 15:41 Absolutely. David Susskind 15:43 Who had money. Eat at good restaurants, took you to them. And then to listen to some music back home and into bed "Patrick" (male prostitute) 15:52 You got it? David Susskind 15:54 All right. Now you consider yourselves sexually expert, "Joe" (male prostitute) 16:01 I think overexposed in earlier times to the point where it was difficult to keep your mind on other work. And to the point that does look like a great occupation because it held my greatest interest. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 16:19 We do have our faults. we're not perfect. We seem like machines, but then machines do break down. That's how you David Susskind 16:27 Are you, in your own life, your own view, Are you sexually overcharged? Are you charged in higher than the normal man going about his work? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 16:40 Only when it get behind closed door with a nice looking woman. I go with nice looking women. You know, I pick my women out. You know, before I even make a move, "Anthony" (male prostitute) 16:51 I tend to go where the money said, I mean, if someone's gonna call me from a penthouse. Of course I'll accept that. But it's there's a Hungry Girl out there who's just chipping out those $100. But just to have a fantasy. For sure I'll take care of that too. David Susskind 17:09 You know, be better than most men in a sexual way. Because you give sex on demand. And a woman says now and you say, Okay, I'm ready. "Joe" (male prostitute) 17:22 But David, you're free to make an appointment or not to make an appointment and you you pace yourself. When you're ready, you agree to go up until then you can come up with excuses, future appointments, whatnot, but essentially, I tend to work when I am ready. There's always somebody there "Antonio" (male prostitute) 17:40 You work at your leisure. You know, work at your leisure David Susskind 17:43 You work at your leisure. You wake up in the morning and say today's the day for me to work? "Bill" (male prostitute) 17:49 Yeah, you know the robot in places before and insisted the lights will kept on. And a lot of lot of husbands don't do that with their wives, they don't talk to them, they don't look at them. They put their head down here on their shoulder and they and when they get it over, they go to sleep with a woman, the man or the woman goes to sleep out of no choice complete. So I mean, you know your verbal maybe you know that, you know should require something and maybe you go out of your way to do it. I don't know but I I just I sense that a lot of times the husbands one reason they do called suggested to their wives or whatever, is because they want something different, right? They want to break the routine and they don't know how to break it. David Susskind 18:30 Well how would you break the wife's routine? I mean, what do you say to her I love you "Bill" (male prostitute) 18:34 You need to fantasize. I mean, you know, as long as you walk into place and the people feel comfortable about you that you're not just gonna go in and you know, be a terror you know, you're not there for that you're there strictly to have fun. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 18:48 There's some husbands that told me they've never done it doggy style with their wife. So we'll do doggy style. It's just simple things that they've never done as "Joe" (male prostitute) 18:59 women will do with a stranger that perhaps the husbands have been prompting them for for a long time that they would not do just with the husband themselves. And you know, perhaps and break some ice for the husband to allows him to have something I retain later they David Susskind 19:15 I can't get over the husband phones you and says come on over and really you know "Joe" (male prostitute) 19:22 It's not just husbands it's boyfriends. Another man. David Susskind 19:25 You can't believe it either. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 19:26 I can't get over it either. I believe David Susskind 19:28 you've never been called by a husband who says Get over here. My wife needs love. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 19:32 Yes I do. I mean, I just I can't get over it. It's such a amusing kind of thing to happen still to me. And you know, I see it's a reality. It's it's just shows you what's out there sexually the world. David Susskind 19:45 Well, fellas, I'm trying to understand the subject. If a man rings you up and says My wife is in desperate straits and she needs sexual satisfaction. You say okay, it's $100 or 100 and a quarter and you're on your way. Oh, yeah. Now there are two things about that. They're gonna impinge on you're providing satisfactory service. One is, you've been called by the husband, and he is there watching. Yeah. And number two is "Joe" (male prostitute) 20:14 that the wife and the husband is there watching on the known "Bill" (male prostitute) 20:19 when you're done, but you're not spending eight hours in a shop working hard either. So, you know, maybe you have to provide for a couple hours. And everything else and you're getting paid well, for right now it has, you know? Well, yeah, you know, sometimes you, you're rushed, when you walk in a place for an hour, the only thing I try to do is just let them know that my time is valuable. If I'm not spending it there, I might be home with my girlfriend, or doing something personal and I want to do, "Anthony" (male prostitute) 20:47 which is also another thing, it does the privates from our personal social life, because we do have to preserve ourselves for work. And that sort of helps out to demand that we have to, you know, we're normally David Susskind 21:01 or any of you married, "Joe" (male prostitute) 21:02 I have been. well, I was for a long time. David Susskind 21:05 Were you able to conduct your business at all? "Joe" (male prostitute) 21:07 No, I was not in the business at that time. David Susskind 21:10 I see. You're not engaged to committed to somebody "Bill" (male prostitute) 21:14 I'm committed, but it's one reason I'm blacked out. David Susskind 21:19 She know what you do for a living. "Bill" (male prostitute) 21:22 I hope not. I just don't think she'd understand. You know, we've, you know, we're open with each other. We talk about, you know, having friends, you know, but I don't think we're ready for it yet. It's I don't think I would call a professional. I'd rather you know, be involved with a friend or something like that. But, David Susskind 21:42 Antonio, you do work with a woman? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 21:44 Yes, I do. David Susskind 21:44 Jessica "Antonio" (male prostitute) 21:45 She's my partner. We serve as couples, single men and everything they like to watch. We get a lot of voyeurs that like to watch us perform sexual acts. And they just they just love it. Just love us that way. I think we're the only couple in this city that advertises David Susskind 22:01 you advertise. And you advertise couple all services extended? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 22:06 Yes. All fantacies. Is everything. Right? David Susskind 22:09 Is she a black woman? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 22:11 No. David Susskind 22:11 So you have a black white combination? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 22:13 Yes. David Susskind 22:14 Which proves very exciting to the "Bill" (male prostitute) 22:16 Yeah, it's a true fantasy. As a matter of fact, sometimes and, and Milo episodes when I'm verbal with the people, I bring those things up. And like I said, as long as people are safe, I'll talk to Black White situation, I don't care. I'll be the I'll be the guy who's black all of a sudden, it doesn't make any difference. You know, it you know, it is it's a fantasy that you know, fantasies aren't reality all the time all the time. And a lot of people don't want don't want reality they are looking for fun and fun is not reality isn't always David Susskind 22:48 What's the typical female fantasy to which you are for which you are someone "Bill" (male prostitute) 22:53 well, there's I happen to you know, thank my mother and father I guess I was a I was born with a certain amount of equipment and I've taken advantage of it that's all I'm there's nothing I can brag about. I go to the gym, I try to keep myself in shape. I understand, you know, hair and makeup and all this. So I you know, there's certain things I know that you have to do. And you have to, I think have something that's an average person doesn't have doesn't mean you're any better than the average person. But maybe you flaunt it or something. Or maybe you do it. I said, the simple thing about being verbal was David Susskind 23:28 verbal fantasy. Would you whisper into her, it can be "Bill" (male prostitute) 23:31 the black and white sang, it can be Hi, I'm Oscar you brains out. I can be 1001 things, things that you think of, you know, you don't go by a script. If I did, I'd be in Hollywood. But I happened. Things come to my mind. "Joe" (male prostitute) 23:47 Because of my age, it's not uncommon that we get into a father daughter fantasy. Now obviously, this lady is not my daughter. And I'm not her father. But that doesn't preclude us from playing those those kinds of roles. And it's satisfying to some people "Anthony" (male prostitute) 24:06 submissiveness, it's, those are basically two kinds of roles to play. You know, the whole thing while I slept. "Bill" (male prostitute) 24:17 Spanking a woman. That's, you know, I'm not talking about something brutal, but it's, it's another fantasy, you know, the rape fantasy. I know a lot of you know, I think a lot of men don't understand that. But again, if it's safe, why wouldn't somebody do it? You know, a woman doesn't want violence, like she talked about assizes rape. We're not talking about getting brutalized and murdered and, you know, hit on the head with a hammer or something like that. She's She goes out in the Chippendales. She wants to pull the guy off the stage. But she's not going to do it on a male strip jump right in New York, right. But she's not I'm trying to plug them but she's not going to you know, she's not going to go on straight and do that. I mean, sure, she may meet somebody in a bar, but she still takes a chance when she takes the guy home that he's, you know, he's not just being nice to her to get her behind the closed doors, and all of a sudden, she has no choice about what goes on. And usually the bottom person is always the top. They're the ones telling you what's acceptable and what's not within certain limits. David Susskind 25:22 The bottom person is usually the top "Bill" (male prostitute) 25:24 In other words, whatever, whatever your action is, or whatever you're doing, you're still being directed by the person who's receiving the action by the one who's paying for Yeah, right, exactly. Because you're there to provide a service, whatever that services, of course, I'm not going to do anything I don't want to do because then I wouldn't be comfortable with it. Now. I'd be phoning I couldn't, I probably couldn't provide it. And it's happened to me a couple times, I'm a human being. I've had women that made such a big deal over the price that I would just tell them that I was very uncomfortable, because the money seemed to be a bigger deal to them than what we were there for. And I would just leave, because I don't want to go in a situation where I'm uncomfortable. I'm not Superman. But I happen to be a man who may understand a little bit more than some people do, or take the time to do it. And if you can David Susskind 26:10 convince me, "Bill" (male prostitute) 26:12 I mean, if you're in a room and the husband's watching, okay, and you're talking to the wife, and you're doing the action or whatever, and all of a sudden he goes, Well, I'm through, then you realize yourself why he had to call you in the first place because the guy got himself off, and then he went to sleep. And how about his wife? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 26:32 He neglects her "Bill" (male prostitute) 26:33 I mean, he neglects her because he's satisfied. And she's not David Susskind 26:36 what a mess "Bill" (male prostitute) 26:38 sure it is. David Susskind 26:42 We'll be back in a minute. |
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David Susskind 26:45 You spoke about performing your job for two hours. Were you taking license there when you said to you be literal? "Bill" (male prostitute) 26:56 Well, I think I try not to "Joe" (male prostitute) 27:00 what's the job? What's? What's the job, though? I mean, intercourse it "Bill" (male prostitute) 27:04 the job. A lot of times. It's not Yeah, it's not lady told me a couple weeks ago, she says, Honey, I'm not in the getting late. So much is affection soon. But then she had a real problem. David Susskind 27:16 What was the real problem? "Bill" (male prostitute) 27:18 The lady was young, and she was just too heavy. And it was it was uncomfortable situation. You know, she was drunk and David Susskind 27:26 drunk and heavy. "Bill" (male prostitute) 27:29 And you know, it was a, it wasn't the ideal way to do things David Susskind 27:35 That would be about a 15 minute assignment. And "Bill" (male prostitute) 27:38 No I was there a couple hours. Matter of fact, we got only got paid for the hour, and I was really unhappy about it. But I didn't make a big deal over it David Susskind 27:45 Were you're doing this as an active Christian mercy, "Bill" (male prostitute) 27:48 I'm not a Christian. David Susskind 27:52 Uranian See, "Patrick" (male prostitute) 27:54 I tend to do that. "Bill" (male prostitute) 27:55 I truly, I don't know. I don't think that you can figure it out. David Susskind 28:01 You've been sent for the phone rang. Come in is a heavy drunk. Young night, "Bill" (male prostitute) 28:05 No it was a lot more involved. And I went to a place there was six people there. She thought her low fantasy cuz she was drunk that she wanted me to perform in front of six people. And I said that wasn't the arrangement, not for $125. David Susskind 28:17 is that the price? "Bill" (male prostitute) 28:19 Well, it's, yeah, that's the basic. I know, when you go there, you know, you're getting $125. Now, I mean, that's, that's my arrangement. Because I David Susskind 28:30 do all work for 125. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 28:32 No I make different arrangements say that, you know, I basically I go out immediately like that the basic 45 48 . Nice looking woman attracted, well dressed lady meet him. Meet him all over the place. Hotels, will the hotels in Manhattan here. And I'll scope them out. I'll check them out. If I liked them. I'll go out with them. I'll just approached him start talking to him, then hopefully go somewhere with them. Get to know they get to know me. And then we get it together. "Joe" (male prostitute) 29:01 Do any of the rest of you guys work that way you go out and meet a woman. "Bill" (male prostitute) 29:07 I provide a service and I'm gone. because I don't have the time I have a personal life. I have a girlfriend, you know, she's uh, I don't have the time to spend with somebody like that. And that's not that's not my arrangements usually. So you won't see me around town wearing a silk suit and a tie. It's not required. That's not my, my MO "Anthony" (male prostitute) 29:28 I usually do it within closed doors, you know, just not let anyone else know what I'm doing. David Susskind 29:34 Well, none of these men are letting other people know how you're not different. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 29:38 They don't want anyone else to know. A lot of women don't want to know that they're hiring someone. David Susskind 29:43 Alright where do you find your school teacher? Yes. So you certainly aren't available from nine in the morning to three in the afternoon. "Joe" (male prostitute) 29:50 I get a lot of days off "Anthony" (male prostitute) 29:51 I got a tape recorder and I get messages from them there and I get I get home at 330 You know, David Susskind 29:57 what, where do you recruit? "Anthony" (male prostitute) 30:00 Where do I recruit? David Susskind 30:00 You advertise "Anthony" (male prostitute) 30:01 I advertise, yeah? That's how I started my recruiting. Yeah. And it stemmed from there just David Susskind 30:10 Are you 125 per episode? "Anthony" (male prostitute) 30:13 Yeah, one basically a one. One. Yeah, I'm Joe for the bargain. David Susskind 30:18 Your case? Are you given expensive dresses? What did she get? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 30:22 Yeah, well I become friends with them. You know basically like go out with them they'll call me you know, spend some time with them. I'll walk down the street arm and arm with a you know, like she was my girlfriend. Think nothing of it. You know, she's David Susskind 30:36 How old are you? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 30:37 I'm 26 David Susskind 30:38 you're walking down the street arm and arm with a 50 year old woman. Try. boyfriend girlfriend. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 30:43 You look at a you wouldn't think she's 50. I think you would say she's 30 A lot of that 38 "Joe" (male prostitute) 30:47 I'm used to seeing a lot of that. You can spot it. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 30:49 It's it's happening now it's starting to come out. You know, with the older guy went with the younger girl. Nobody says anything. But if the younger guy goes out with the old woman, people will Oh they look. I went into restaurants. Everybody's turning looking. You know? And you say hey, what's the problem? David Susskind 31:06 Well, you do bed these one. Oh, yeah. As soon as possible as soon as feasible. Yeah, sure. And then are you given money? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 31:15 Well, whatever help I need, you know, if I need financial help, I'll ask in different ways I'll get you know, get around to "Antonio" (male prostitute) 31:22 sometimes it's not just money. It's Sixsmith. Material things that feel better by giving you maybe it may be a coat anything then rather paying you "Patrick" (male prostitute) 31:32 for like to give you a feel guilty. Just like an older guy would give a gift to a young girl for coat or this, you know different things. David Susskind 31:40 But it does give you the noon. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 31:44 I really can't say "Anthony" (male prostitute) 31:45 A Lincoln doesn't sound so bad Lincoln. David Susskind 31:48 Lincoln car "Patrick" (male prostitute) 31:49 Yeah I got a I got a 1969 classic Lincoln. You know, David Susskind 31:54 oh, that's a good car "Patrick" (male prostitute) 31:55 Right? Yeah. And the car was very, David Susskind 31:58 a lot of walking arm and arm for that. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 32:01 Right now she wants to get married. You know, she's 48 years old. And she's thinking marriage, you know, and I was thinking about it. David Susskind 32:08 Who can blame her? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 32:09 I was thinking about David Susskind 32:10 what are you gonna decide? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 32:13 What am I going to decide? David Susskind 32:15 When are you going to decide? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 32:16 I'm not sure yet. I may do it. And just might do it. David Susskind 32:20 For another Lincoln. Oh, no. Just want to go to a BMW or "Patrick" (male prostitute) 32:24 just to be with her. You know, she's good person. No, son to stand. You know? I don't do this full time. You know, I'm a construction worker. I'm the guy that you see up there screaming down at the girls, you know, yelling at the girls whistling at the girls hardhat you know David Susskind 32:39 you're a construction worker. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 32:40 I do too. I'm a construction worker and they have to I was I go out and meet women. David Susskind 32:46 Have you ever had one of the women you? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 32:48 Absolutely. David Susskind 32:50 See you up on the ladder? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 32:51 I bet 20 guys one day that girl used to pass by every day I says I bet you I could go get it and they said Sure go get it go get it and I went out with it three years before that and I didn't tell him I was down there better everybody and I cleaned up you know David Susskind 33:08 Alright, when you Quote your price, do you ever have to negotiate this is ever "Bill" (male prostitute) 33:14 I negotiate Yeah, I usually charge at the man's there though. My basic structure is $125 for one person if demands there I just think it's if you don't then next thing you know you may have him and 10 of his buddies watching so if you if everybody pays for some reason, the money just it doesn't have to be a lot of money. You know if I charge 25 or $50 Extra for the man to be there at least I don't have to feel uncomfortable about him eavesdropping or anything else. David Susskind 33:45 But she has a feeling that the man is a weirdo. "Bill" (male prostitute) 33:48 I don't care I'm not a psychiatrist. I don't try to figure it out. I just want you to know that I can I can function under those circumstances. "Antonio" (male prostitute) 33:55 What wouldn't you say? You're kind of scared if a man watched? Because I mean like sometimes when I do it right like I get a little nervous because I'm I'm have my my mind totally upon the woman right? And I'm afraid of these weirdos behind me. So sometimes I do take precautions like I don't care. "Bill" (male prostitute) 34:10 I don't think it's People's being weird. It's different I mean, you know that's "Joe" (male prostitute) 34:16 Do you usually talk with a man before you go? Yes. Okay, so you have some idea of "Antonio" (male prostitute) 34:21 talking with I've been into I've been into things and hotels into like fights and things like that. I never have you know, but I've been I've "Joe" (male prostitute) 34:30 usually the man makes the arrangement I've got some sense of what kind of person he is. Before I go David Susskind 34:36 Are you paid before or after the function "Bill" (male prostitute) 34:39 that my mind depends on if somebody comes to my apartment. I usually feel I like to get paid in advance if but I don't make a big deal of it because again, I don't want to be in trapped or anything and I don't think "Joe" (male prostitute) 34:52 that upset the person either. I mean, if they're gonna have a good time, if you've in some way upset them. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 34:58 I just try to make them comfortable enough. Food and not to be afraid, and David Susskind 35:02 A female hooker always gets your money. Why? "Bill" (male prostitute) 35:05 Because it's a safety factor again a man, he gets off, he's gone. And if she tries to run after him to collect the money, she may lose her jaw might not fee too good after its over "Joe" (male prostitute) 35:17 Yeah, I think I think women have to take that, that. There are all kinds of stories we've all heard since we were little kids about females. And, you know, they're in it for the money and they're cold, and they're hard. I don't think that's always true. But it's the sort of picture that everybody has in their minds. David Susskind 35:35 It's not that different from you, you're cold you're hard. "Bill" (male prostitute) 35:37 I think a woman has more with us than a man does when he goes out with a prostitute with a female prostitute. "Joe" (male prostitute) 35:45 I never asked for the money first. "Bill" (male prostitute) 35:47 It may be the male ego, maybe we think we're great, because we're doing it. Who cares? I mean, as long as it's good for people, and only one way, you know, well, some people call you back. Sometimes they're real fickle. And they'll they probably call every one of us who knows, David Susskind 36:01 what's your repeat factor? What percent? "Bill" (male prostitute) 36:03 I don't work on that. I because I know people are fickle. You know, I tell you that the one of the biggest things that Been told me and it happens time after time after time, this is our first time, but you can tell in the process of what's going on. It's not the first time they've ever done it. But that's, that's another big fantasy with people is. And one of the things one reason you get verbal with them and everything else because you don't care what the last person they were with did. Because you're not trying to you're not trying to break a record, you're not trying to beat somebody else's action. You're trying to do what you do best. David Susskind 36:35 Are you saying really of the people that? Use your talent? Very few of them called callback. "Bill" (male prostitute) 36:44 Now, I don't say that. But I'm not working on that. David Susskind 36:49 If you whispered all these fantasies in her ear, and then you stroked her and she was fat, and she was drunk and you would call you back? Well say boy, he's crying. When "Bill" (male prostitute) 36:58 I told my experiences. I don't think that many people because I think some people know what their limits are. I think some fat ladies know that they don't want to take a chance at some the real ban salted by Panda guy $125 An hour or whatever, and things don't happen, right? Because like I said, I I can be turned on and off to you know. David Susskind 37:17 Yeah, I want to discuss that turn on and off after we pause for this break. |
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David Susskind 37:24 I wanted to come to the point you were on before that is to perform sexually on demand. Do you have to train your mind you have to your imagination? Do you have to discipline yourself? You have to particularly let's say you're with a heavy fat lady drunk? Do you have to say I'm really at the Super Bowl. And I'm watching the Miami plaY San Francisco is something you have to go away somewhere in your imagination to do "Bill" (male prostitute) 37:54 You me like this my visualization and my verbalization go together. Yeah, I think so. So hey, yeah, to write to a degree I mean, she doesn't obviously probably turned me on but a lot of times that's not it, because the whole situation can just be something that you can David Susskind 38:10 If she didn't turn you on how can you turn on? "Anthony" (male prostitute) 38:13 I think it helps to have an obsession to sex. You know, you first really have to love feels good anyway, no matter what woman is a person you just got to be if it's a grotesque type that put anyone down. It's you have to fantasize your brands often. Or if it's so unreal, lovely. You can just get off on the anger shaper, you know, just yet to be liked and be comfortable and be oblivious to everything outside. You have to know how to perform "Bill" (male prostitute) 38:40 well, first, I think it was it was really too bad. I don't think I couldn't do it. Anyway, I've had a couple situations that were uncomfortable, but not not that much. "Joe" (male prostitute) 38:50 I haven't seen. I haven't seen any like that "Bill" (male prostitute) 38:53 I have been shocked at the people have walked in David Susskind 38:55 I'm talking about healthy men, normal men who, let's say that married or engaged or whatever, who just can't on short notice. They have to wait and be in a mood. So you don't need to wait and be in a mood. "Joe" (male prostitute) 39:08 If you're married to a lady and she can't walk away from you. I think you can afford a little more luxury in this instance, and figure it out there too. David Susskind 39:18 What keeps you going? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 39:19 What keeps you Well, it does keep the money going is an incentive to keep you go. Yeah, "Anthony" (male prostitute) 39:24 I've had a couple one time where I decided Should I really ejaculate myself or not? And I figured while I was late at night, no one else would call me. I came if I can use that word. And after they left I got another phone call at the Waldorf Astoria for another couple from Tunisia. And I said oh my limits are right. I went I went down there and I you know, psyched myself up fantasize that believe it or not, I did and I was proud of myself. It was the fact that I was able to do is with turned me on. Yeah, who either not David Susskind 39:59 So that's a two Tunisians in one American record. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 40:06 American International. David Susskind 40:07 How often do you function each day? Once a day? "Bill" (male prostitute) 40:14 Depends. I have a social life, I mean, a personal life. So sometimes I don't do anything at all because I had a choice. You know, it's, I don't have anybody telling me to go to work or not go to work or whatever, you know. So I do David Susskind 40:32 Antonio. How many times a day do you generally? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 40:35 Generally, it can vary some days, it'll be five times a day David Susskind 40:39 Five times a day? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 40:40 Yes. So before, what I used to do when I worked in the Time Square area, is sometimes perform 14 times a day on stage for 20 minutes each session, 14 sessions, okay, and each session I had to have a hard on, I'd be fired. Okay, and this is, I'll tell you, you can go to the doll theater, and go look at a show each each show you have to have an erection or the boss will fire you, right. So I had to psych myself each show and have myself ready. So now, if I do five times, it's nothing to me. It doesn't bother me. I've conditioned myself to be able to perform as many times as possible. "Joe" (male prostitute) 41:13 I think you can do that about 14 times. But I think you can condition yourself when "Anthony" (male prostitute) 41:19 we compare ourselves to female prostitutes, you can definitely say we have a tougher position. They can fake it, we have to actually show on David Susskind 41:27 the female prostitute can fake it. You can't fake "Anthony" (male prostitute) 41:31 we have to show it. Right. Right? "Bill" (male prostitute) 41:33 That's that's a real big thing with females to the erection. It's "Antonio" (male prostitute) 41:40 no erection, you know? Good. It's like, "Joe" (male prostitute) 41:43 I'm curious about something else if I made David. Well, rather than subject of erections, I would guess that each one of these guys is somewhat more gifted, sexually and proportions than the average man. I think maybe that helps to you're not in question about whether you got what it takes. It's whether or not you can use it. Right? Yeah, you will use it. But there's nothing to use. "Bill" (male prostitute) 42:08 And who knows why. I mean, like I said, I don't go to a psychiatrist trying to figure out why I can do it. I just do. And I'm more comfortable with it that way. David Susskind 42:15 In other words, you suggested that they are all uniquely equipped anatomically "Joe" (male prostitute) 42:20 Well they they're gifted Yeah. I don't know that that's the case. But I suspect it is. It takes away your asking. "Bill" (male prostitute) 42:29 If, if you're an escort, I mean, you know, whatever an escort mean, these things, you may be a person who's a nice looking guy keeps a tan and keeps himself in shape. And he looks good. out, maybe doesn't have to do is, like I said, I'm not an escort. So I have to function. Yeah, and I'm not an escort out of out of choice. I can hang out in Palm Springs, or, you know, I just don't do out of choice. I have done it. But it's not it's too time consuming for me. I mean, how much is the lay worth? You know, David Susskind 42:58 you got about $125? "Bill" (male prostitute) 43:00 Right, I mean, how many? How many people gonna pay you 125 For every hour you there. I mean, that's, that's limited. If you're there if if you were there for seven or eight hours. I think you're in lala land if you think you're gonna make $1,000 a day hanging out at some lady's house for 10 hours making her happy David Susskind 43:18 10 hours "Bill" (male prostitute) 43:19 or whatever I mean, you know David Susskind 43:21 Is there anything you won't do. "Bill" (male prostitute) 43:25 That depends on the circumstance. So "Anthony" (male prostitute) 43:28 you get selected as you go, you learn the stakes again, you do get selected as you go in along your career and you get to know who to avoid enough to hold the rack if you're not into s&m For example, if you get calls for that, you can just avoid it. If you're not into phone sex, which I hit a lot sometimes that's you just avoid it. You're selective. We have to "Joe" (male prostitute) 43:54 I have people who have called who are, you know, obviously, on something alcohol dope combination there of whatnot. I know. That's, that's the worst thing in the world. "Bill" (male prostitute) 44:04 You have to feel out the situation. So you have to be and avoid those people. And physically you have to be in, in charge. "Antonio" (male prostitute) 44:12 This right and mentally David Susskind 44:14 Ok where you get your trade? You advertise in publications? "Bill" (male prostitute) 44:20 That's most of mine. David Susskind 44:22 What about the phone? "Bill" (male prostitute) 44:22 I've done it through people, you know, they're through me for a customer. Yeah referrals. Things Like that. "Joe" (male prostitute) 44:30 Now, there are agencies I've never worked for one, but they do exist. David Susskind 44:35 Is the business changing now with women in the marketplace. So many of them in so many jobs that formally "Bill" (male prostitute) 44:42 started making money. They started starting to make I'd have an expendable income. And they you know, they're not counting all their pennies. Now some, you know, able to split this, you know, professionals. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 44:55 You wind up with a lot of women that's always traveling. If you go to the hotel Women with careers, you know, they can be involved with somebody because they got a career, and they want to stay with a career. So they wind up going with you, you know, whenever they can, whenever they could get a date with you, they'll go, you "Joe" (male prostitute) 45:15 know, they've worked all day meetings, they've gone out for dinner entertained, or been entertained while they're in town. And no time to look for someone, no, no contacts in town, with whom they can have human warmth of that kind and then they don't want to block it relationship. It's time "Antonio" (male prostitute) 45:35 they call a professional, that not they may not get aware of you understand, like, you know, like if a woman goes to a bar, so he doesn't want to talk to pick someone up because she's afraid he might robber he may beater, you'll never know. But if she calls a professional who's legit and everything like that she'll feel more safer. She'll feel more at ease. David Susskind 45:52 Has your business suffered from the fact of the publicity for herpes and AIDS? "Bill" (male prostitute) 45:58 It's something I'm asked over the telephone. Sometimes, "Anthony" (male prostitute) 46:03 that's part of the selected most of the people I deal with. I'm sure a lot of it still is a beginners, people that are experimenting. "Bill" (male prostitute) 46:09 I think it's one reason people pay because they don't want to go to the bars and take a chance for getting "Joe" (male prostitute) 46:15 you know, people bars might misrepresent themselves. You know, perhaps somewhat David Susskind 46:20 Have you been asked directly. do you have herpes, have you had herpes? "Joe" (male prostitute) 46:24 Yeah, I've had people want to discuss it. Sure. I guess they want assurance David Susskind 46:29 You ask the question. Before you accept the Lincoln time? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 46:32 Absolutely. Definitely. I'll ask a woman. Do you have any diseases at all? "Bill" (male prostitute) 46:37 I got my price. I'll take the land. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 46:42 Make sure you got to make "Joe" (male prostitute) 46:43 sure Well, it's not only asked them, but you inspect them by that I don't mean you you do some kind of surgical procedure. That's obvious. But you you're very attuned to that person that that you're saying, as I'm sure if they're wise they are. David Susskind 46:58 How di you go out with a Wall Street woman or a manufacturer's representative. I mean, you're a construction worker, what do you have in common? How can you converse with her? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 47:09 By taking them out? If they enjoy being with me? You know, David Susskind 47:12 please tell me why "Patrick" (male prostitute) 47:14 I was with the editor from a paper newspaper. I won't say because she'll probably kill me. David Susskind 47:20 No, don't. Don't say names "Patrick" (male prostitute) 47:22 I'm real estate people, you know, big, big money. And they just enjoying the company, you know, going out you they enjoy, you make them laugh? Show him a good time. They enjoy it David Susskind 47:35 the repertoire of jokes and anecdotes. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 47:37 Yes, absolutely. David Susskind 47:38 They have a whole routine Yeah. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 47:40 Well, it's I just go by you know the flow tonight. You know, I'll just go right along with "Anthony" (male prostitute) 47:46 this the to know how you get to the point of asking them for money because I don't I get them to call me first. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 47:52 Well see you get in tight with see I would get in tight with the woman you saying? And then I would say look, I need some help here they will offer. Yeah, yet, right? Weasel in, they will offer.Yeah, you're like a prostitute. So um, maybe a Gigalo "Bill" (male prostitute) 48:13 I never I never called anything. I just do it because I think the labels you know, the labels of being kinky. You know? And all these things are what make people uptight in the first place. Look at the the why is it a woman can be with another woman and all sudden she's cool. A guy doesn't He's a faggot. You know, it's sometimes when we want to see labels that are put on people and people trying to live up to them in the end a lot of people uptight because they can't. They can't wear those labels, you know, legitimately. David Susskind 48:47 Okay, those are interesting questions. We'll be back to answer them after this break. |
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David Susskind 48:54 In your work, don't you wind up feeling like a counselor sex counselor? Something psychiatrists without credential? Yeah, sure. And that is a sex. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 49:04 Yes, we very therapeutic. It's like the couple that makes them I know, that made them feel better about each other is very therapeutic for me. It's a lot of conversation, a lot of like, I like you and I like you and you should be together. And even when they're alone. It's like yeah, you're a nice person. Don't worry. Don't feel guilty about what you're doing. You know, and affection. It's just making men feel better. "Joe" (male prostitute) 49:28 People do feel relieved, believes tensions they're more prepared to go on with the rest of their life. Maybe if they if it's first time they realize they do have an outlet sort of at their command. I think it improves a lot of people's lives David Susskind 49:45 when you are alone Does she tend to tell you her problems. confess her "Bill" (male prostitute) 49:50 Yeah. My experience has been that they want to have a good time. And I mean, you can be a counselor I guess I'm not trying Did that I? I do what I do. And I think that usually takes the mind off of it. But you're, you know, you give them a company and usually you try to give them good company. "Antonio" (male prostitute) 50:10 companionship? David Susskind 50:12 Most of the time? Are you working with Jessica? Are you working alone? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 50:15 Mpst of the time I'm working with Jessica? We try to work together as we offer something special. Yeah. So I guess when we work together, we feel comfortable together. David Susskind 50:24 What do you offer? The special beside the fact that one is white one is black. Is that sufficient? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 50:30 Um, I guess. Yeah. Sufficient? I guess we offer specialist the two of us, okay. Like most people, like a woman will call one of the gentlemen here, and it'll just be one. And some people like maybe they'd like a Minage a toir. Okay, or they just just don't want to be involved. They just want to watch some people like to be voyeurs David Susskind 50:50 And you satisfied. But how are you paid? His money change hands does she say here's 100 A quarter for you "Joe" (male prostitute) 50:58 That's an awkward part. But people who are experienced or insightful usually have a way of putting it by the front door, where it's visible. So that now there's no concern on your part. It's, it's handy when you go out and you don't really have to discuss it. "Bill" (male prostitute) 51:17 I think what happened, my experience has been that people tend to give you the money first, even without asking for a reason that they want to make you relaxed in the situation. I think the husbands are the ones who understand that I've been paid many a time by the husband. If I walk in the house, and the people are in the phone, you know, their everything's legit, I don't mind taking the money. If I go to their house, if they come to my house, I just asked him to put it on the dresser and I and I say it in a way, you know it, put my fee on the dresser, then we get that over with and we'll have to discuss it anymore. And I don't make a lot of tips because of that. But I'm not like a sound I don't. I'm not hustling people out of money. I've already made the financial arrangements over the telephone or whatever. And that's it. David Susskind 51:57 What about the publicized fact that drilled through alcohol and drugs are rampant on the male prostitute circuit? "Bill" (male prostitute) 52:07 Well, you think you're limited to your drugs, if I know that if I sat down and did a gram of cocaine and I wouldn't go to function. So I know my limits are right there. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 52:17 I'm gonna be health conscious. I know a lot of people enjoy doing Emile nitrate while they're having sex or getting high and liquor and stuff like that. But I tend to have to avoid it because I need to control myself with the situation for someone. Especially I need to control. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 52:34 I drink I don't take I won't take any drugs, you know, so I could drink and go with a woman no problems. "Bill" (male prostitute) 52:40 I might smoke relaxes me a little bit but I'm not gonna go out there and get blitzed because I want to be able to walk out of there. "Joe" (male prostitute) 52:47 And you don't tend to see people who are blitzed when they call you either because you know that it's gonna it's gonna be difficult, long drawn out David Susskind 52:56 Now the female prostitute is constantly harassed by the police. "Joe" (male prostitute) 53:02 I think the ones who are out and obvious are harassed "Patrick" (male prostitute) 53:05 They are standing on corner. You know, if they're hanging out on corners, we don't go hang out in corners. Now, you know, in shorts and December's on "Antonio" (male prostitute) 53:14 the Hangout and sting operations in hotels, and they call their agencies and have them come over. And when you come over and like step in the room, you're automatically arrested for solicitation. "Bill" (male prostitute) 53:24 Well I don't deal with organized companies anyway. I'm not interested in working for services. Ah, I don't take checks. I deal strictly with cash. I don't you know, it's good to cash and carry business for me. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 53:38 I have a few escort agents, friends with me. I have I do know some escort friends that are in agents just to the business. You can't avoid them. They sometimes there's a couple that calls a girl from an escort agency and calls me at the same time I get to know her. And then they call us back, you know if they need an extra guy for see. So it helps to know escort agency. David Susskind 54:02 Is there any future in male prostitution? "Bill" (male prostitute) 54:07 as a career? I doubt it "Joe" (male prostitute) 54:09 And the retirement program is Not very good. "Bill" (male prostitute) 54:12 I think it's just like taking vitamins as a supplement. You know, I don't think anybody's gonna sit here and say that he's, you know, I don't sit in brag and say I'm a professional anything. I just do it. And I happen to be good at what I do. And I wish more people knew how good I was. I mean, I don't say sincerity to because I think that I have have a way to you know, make people relaxed and still give them what they want. I don't give them any, any less David Susskind 54:38 What are you going to do in the future when when you're god given equipment? "Bill" (male prostitute) 54:43 I've already worked with some of the best makeup artists in the world and I've you know, I've I've done that and I still do it. i i I do hair and makeup in my apartment. And I do it. David Susskind 54:55 What are you going to do? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 54:56 I'm just going to go to school, go to college. I'm using this as a stepping stone to get my fees for college and get myself together. That's all it is. David Susskind 55:06 And what are you going to do when you go to college? I mean, what do you wang to be? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 55:09 law "Joe" (male prostitute) 55:15 I'm sorry, you asked me David Susskind 55:17 Well what's your future? "Joe" (male prostitute) 55:20 I do some writing, I've got a couple of published works. My name is in the Library of Congress card catalog. I got two books in work right now, I don't know how long it will take to finish them. But I have a word processor and the the work is on diskettes. And, you know, I've got more things I want to write. David Susskind 55:42 what you've been doing. So what could you call it? It's so odd. And exciting. I suppose in this way. Won't an ordinary job seem lackluster? "Anthony" (male prostitute) 55:55 for me, the vocation right and try have the school teacher makes it very dichotomic. That's the word and it's one extreme to the other. And it's maybe the thrill I get out of it. Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde kind of situation. But I like to just note to tip to the people not to seek that I'm in any kind of a pervert, I separate the job completely from one to the "Bill" (male prostitute) 56:20 other burdens I can because I think they call you for "Anthony" (male prostitute) 56:24 one half of my vocation and one has to pay my rent and this money that I make here is more of those prosperous David Susskind 56:32 You will you see people at their most vulnerable women things clean eating and longing. What does that taught you about life? About women? "Bill" (male prostitute) 56:42 Well you I think you have to be yellow responsible when you're with when people are in that position because same thing can happen to you you know, you're kind of vulnerable, you're a male you have to perform and I don't know I think a lady could keep me from performing pretty easy. David Susskind 56:59 I'm asking whether you drew you draw a basic lesson about human condition from the work you've done. You got people at their at their most primitive, "Bill" (male prostitute) 57:10 right? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 57:11 You learn from them. "Bill" (male prostitute) 57:12 You see what their needs are. "Antonio" (male prostitute) 57:16 There's plenty of things that you learn from like there's different things I can't just say to you, you you learn anything Pacific you learn people's personalities the way they think. Okay, you just find it's a new way of learning about people. "Bill" (male prostitute) 57:28 You find out everybody. Nobody's really that different David. |
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