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Show opens - Donald Trump is sown signing autographs, a montage of magazines with Trump on the covers, his name on various skyscrapers, airplanes and book covers. A narrator talks about Trump's net worth, his publicity.

Show title and opener: The Eleventh Hour

Robert Lipsyte 03:09
Let me ask you my last question first. How do you want us to regard you how do you want people to think about you?

Donald Trump 03:16
Well, I like to really work hard and do a good job. I like I use the word quality a lot. Sometimes I get criticized for using the word quality, but I give a quality product. Buildings that I build in New York are the most successful. Trump Tower, Trump Park, Trump Plaza, they sell for numbers that nobody else comes close to getting. And the people that buy 'em are very happy and they come from all over the world.

Robert Lipsyte 05:07
What re you going to do about it?

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 05:08
Well, all I can do is if I appear on your program or some other program or take an ad or make statements, it's had an effect. I mean, you see a backlash is a big backlash right now. Japan, we defend Japan for nothing. Here they are making billions and billions of dollars, and we're nothing but a debtor nation we're losing they say $160 billion. I say it's far greater than that. Why should we be defending Japan for nothing?

Robert Lipsyte 05:32
But nobody elected you to anything. Where do you get off? You know, kind of coming off like a politician like a statesman?

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 05:39
Well it's just

Robert Lipsyte:
The guy who buildings in New York.

D. Trump (05:42)
You're right. It's a fair question. But it's a question that you're asking. I mean, you're asking me the question, I could come on the show and said, Donald, what are the provenance like, and what's this? And what about that deal? And what about the New York Stock Exchange and all of other things which you'd say, hey, this guy has a great expertise. But you're asking me the question Bob, in all fairness, you said, What about Japan? Or what about your views.

Robert Lipsyte:
Wait a minute Donald, you took out the ads, and you made these statements. I didn't make this up.

D. Trump
Sure. I do take that out ads. I took out ads on death penalty, (Lipsyte: Right). I see crime that's rampant in the streets. And not only in New York City, I see crime that's rampant in the streets. And I want something done about it. And one of the things I want done is the death penalty. And I guess I'm in a position where I'm allowed to speak, I would certainly hope I'm in that position. And perhaps I'm heard a little bit more than other people. I will tell you that as an example, the death penalty ads, and it wasn't only death penalty, it's bring back the police give them back their power, so they can protect us as citizens. But the death penalty ads, I have never done anything that's received such an overwhelmingly positive response. Never. We've had in a course of two and a half or three weeks, over 15,000 letters. Our telephone system is literally it just can't handle the calls with so many 1000s of calls. Virtually every letter was positive when bringing back the death penalty and bringing back law and order to New York City. Now, I have to tell you, this relates to other cities also. But never have I done anything that's been so positively received. And there's a cry out there for it. It's an amazing phenomena. When you look at what's happening in this city. When you look at all of the travesty, all of the crime, all of the the brutality going on in this city. People want the death penalty brought back.

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 08:07
Well it's interesting, it's interesting that you say that I visited a woman in Brooklyn, a woman, a Black woman who was raped, mugged and thrown off a four story building. And the hospital is Kings County Hospital in a rough section of Brooklyn. It was sort of interesting that I knew how to get to that hospital. Nobody that was with me knew any idea had any idea how to get to the hospital. I told them exactly how to get there. We can go right here, we can go through the back door, we can go through the front door.

Ropbert Lipsyte
How did you know?

D. Trump
15th because I used to work there. I mean, I know the streets pretty well. And I used to work. I started in Brooklyn, as you may know. And I started in Queens. I was in Queens, in Brooklyn, and most of the time was spent in Brooklyn. I know every street in Brooklyn. So I said go to Kings County Hospital.

Robert Lipsyte 08:48
Do you think of yourself as street smart? I mean, do you think that you have a feel for the streets that may be

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 08:55
I hate to say yes or no to anything like that, because it sounds sort of strange. But I would certainly say that I grew up as a young man in Brooklyn and Queens. I was, nobody knew who I was until really five or six years ago. And in all fairness, we had some rent control property out in Brooklyn, and some in Queens, and not great shakes by any stretch of the imagination. And I built something that's been great. I think I did that with a certain smart. I don't know if you want to call it street smarts. I'd like to say that there is a certain street smart because I think that's important. I mean, I think what this country needs

Robert Lipsyte 09:31
Were you a tough kid coming up? I mean, I guess with your father,

Robert Lipsyte 10:47
Let's get back to Kings County, you knew the streets

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 10:50
So I went to Kings County Hospital and I'm explaining to people how to get to Kings and they didn't believe it because they said how would he know Kings County Hospital, you know, the Fifth Avenue stuff that wasn't always Fifth Avenue. So I went to see the woman. This is a woman again, who was mugged, raped and thrown off a four story building. The press was there. There were a lot of people there. This was something that had just happened. And there are a lot of people. I walked out and I took I first of all, in meeting the woman. This is a wonderful woman who was devastated. I met her family. The family is devastated. It was a horrible situation. The woman was in very obviously in very bad shape, thrown off a building to die.

Robert Lipsyte
Why did you go.

D, Trump
I'll never forget you. I went to help the woman because it was a big event and she had no money. And to be perfectly honest, I went It was a big event in the newspapers, you people made it a big event. And I went to pick up her medical expenses, which I did, the woman had no money. Here's a woman laying in a hospital with a family around and nothing. i picked up her medical expenses. I'll never forget, as I walking out, somebody asked me from the press from you're wonderful press said, Mr. Trump, do you really hate the people that did this? Don't you have any compassion for the people that did this? And I looked at the reporter who I consider to be a fool, and said, I just visited a woman who was mugged, raped and thrown off a building to die. Absolutely I hate the people that did it. Absolutely. Without question. If I have that, right, I hate the people that did it. Now I've heard Ed Koch say that he doesn't hate he has controlled anger. To which I say ask whether or not he hates Donald Trump, you know, but he has a controlled anger. And I say isn't that wonderful that a politician can say he is controlled anger? Well, he has hate, and so do other people, and so should people when a woman is brutally thrown off a building, raped and thrown off a building? And I'm not allowed to hate these people that did it? Well, I absolutely do.

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 14:34
you happen to be 100%, right. But people have to be able to walk the streets. People have to be able to feel safe. When you walk through a park if you're going to be mugged and raped and everything else as a woman, when you're walking down the streets of Brooklyn as a senior citizen and your 85 year old. You don't want to be hit over the head with a baseball bat.

Robert Lipsyte 14:53
Donald I think you're 100% right. But the question is that you as a public man addressing these issues in a in a very public sort of way, really needs to think about both ? and the underlying causes

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 15:03
Everybody understands everybody understands the underlying problem. And everybody understands that that's the ultimate solution, hopefully. But in the meantime, we have a society, we have to have laws, we have to have very strong laws, we have to have safety in the streets. And I am one that is tired of having a newspaper reporter come up to me and asked me whether or not I have compassion for the kids that threw the woman off the building after they raped her. Okay? Because I have no compassion for those kids. I have to tell you.

Robert Lipsyte
Well the death penalty is one thing that and the second is strengthening and freeing the police.

D. Trump
What's happened to the police force is really a disaster. And you know it, and I know it and everybody knows it. They go out, the criminal, has all the rights. The victim has no rights whatsoever. They they go out and they hire a wonderful lawyer. And now they don't even have to be so wonderful. They hire a lawyer that immediately starts shouting police brutality. And I you ask whether or not i'm of the streets. Well, I used to be of the streets and I'm still walking down the streets. And I see kids laughing at the cops. I see kids cursing at the cops. And I see the cops turning their backs, because they don't want to be accused of police brutality, and lose their house and their car and their family and everything else because they've been thrown off the police force. Because the first chant from the lawyers, the decent lawyers, the ones that seem to do well with their clients, is the chant of police brutality, virtually no matter what a criminal does, they start chanting, police brutality, it's gotten to a point where it's sick, and this city is sick. There's no question about it. I mean, I've never noticed.

Robert Lipsyte 16:42
Ok. Just once, you're the doctor, no you're the doctor, I want to know specifically what you're going to do to make this city better., healthier.

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 16:45
Well just one second. I have never seen crime like I've been witnessing the last number of months now. Maybe I'm more prone to watch it. Maybe I'm more aware of it. But everyday, It's brutal crime. And it's the front three pages of virtually every paper in the city are raping this and killing children and all of these things. We are really living in a sick society and something has to be done about it. Question, what would I do? I would give back the power to the police, I would strengthen up the police, I would give spirit to the police (Lipsyte: or give back the power to the police, what power and what ?)
I would give spirit to the police to go out and do their job, I would back the police 100%. I have to tell you, I'm not necessarily one of the great union men of all time. But I so I fully stand with the policeman's union and so on so many issues, because I have watched police officers be brutalized over trying to stop crime, and they've been brutalized, and you know it and so do I. They've been totally brutalized. You'd have to give back and you have to give back the spirit to the police force.

Robert Lipsyte 19:37
Now what about the Trump's children? You have three kids?

D. Trump
I have three children.

Robert Lipsyte
How old are they?

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 19:41
They're eleven and seven and five.

Robert Lipsyte 19:44
What do you want to give them?

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 19:45
Well, I want to give them something that they can go out and fend for themselves. It's not necessarily an easy way of growing up and at one stage and at the same time saying they have to go out but I want them to be able to fend for themselves. Ideally I mean, I see so many different problems in the world. It is a different world than it was even five and 10 years ago, when you look at not only the crime when you look at the AIDS problem, I mean, you're talking about a problem that's a monster, a monster. Every time you pick up the newspaper, you see people, friends, just dying, massive segments of the population dying with AIDS. Something that five years ago, nobody ever heard of

Robert Lipsyte 20:23
we you grew up in a more innocent time.

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 20:25
I grew up truly in a more innocent time. At the time, I didn't think it was innocent. In fact, at the time, it seemed like a pretty wild time. But it certainly was a more innocent time and, and what's happening now, and I think perhaps that innocence has made this time so bad. That's why when we talk as an example, we talk about death penalty, just to get back to it for a second. I've had calls from politicians, all saying Donald, that was the greatest ad that was the greatest thing was unbelievable. I agree with you 100% of the death penalty. I say, Why don't you say it? Well, it's too controversial. I don't want to get involved. I said, Why don't you go out and say it? Why don't you go out and fight for law and order? How could that be? That's got to be the most popular issue there is, what are you doing? Well, I don't want to really get involved, Donald. So he's telling me and this is maybe seven different people, all top politicians, all names that you'd know very well. They call me and they tell me they agree, but they don't want to get involved. And I'll tell you the problem that we have as a country, not as a city only as a country is you don't have advocacy anymore. You have this, you don't have any advocacy. When Winston Churchill called Hitler a mad dog. He took tremendous heat. He said the Mad Dog, and we've got to stop the Mad Dog. This was early Hitler. What happened is all of the politicians, the great leaders of England, came down and said, You can't talk about the leader of another country like that. He said, he's a mad dog, he's going to be trouble. And you better watch him. Well, he was right. Okay.

Robert Lipsyte 24:51
They want your apartments and they want to be partners with you

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 24:53
You want to know something they want my apartment because my apartments are the best. And if they don't want my apartments, and that's fine. That's fine. The beauty the beauty of the position that I'm in is that I'm able to put the country before myself individually. A lot of people don't think that way. And when you say inconsistency, it's a sad day because you would expect me to be praising Japan and praising everything that's happening, because that's good for me. And that's unfair.

Robert Lipsyte 25:21
No no no, I would be expecting you to do more things specifically in this city, philanthropically.

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 25:27
What do you want me to do more? Let me ask you a question. I give millions of dollars

Robert Lipsyte
How many? How many millions, how many millions how many millions?

D. Trump
I will tell you, in excess in excess of probably 20 over the last couple of years. Let me ask you a question over the last couple of years. Here's a question for you.

Robert Lipsyte
How many years? 20 Over the last five years, that's 4 million a year.

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 25:42
I build skating rinks that haven't been opened in seven years. I do them in four months,. I give the book sales, I had the biggest selling book or one of them of the decade. The book sales all went to charity, charity, (Lipsyte: What charity?). Cerebral Palsy, AIDS research, multiple sclerosis, I could name 25, different charities All different charities, millions of dollars. I give a tremendous amount back. I employ 1000s of people, I do a thing called Trump the game. It's the number one game now as I understand it, I think it's the number one game in the United States produced by Milton Bradley. All of the money that I make from that game goes to charity, I give millions of dollars besides that. , I give a million dollars to the Vietnam Veterans, I make it possible to have the parade and to have the monument built in downtown Manhattan. And then I have to listen to your crap about what have I done? I give so much. If you gave, Bob now Bob, you're a wonderful guy. wonderful guy, But if you gave a percentage of what I gave, you should be very proud.

TRUMP REPLIES HE HAS GIVEN IN EXCESS OF OVER 20 MILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

TRUMP DEFENSIVELY ELABORATES THAT HE HAS BUILT SKATING RINKS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN OPENED IN SEVEN YEARS. HE GAVE HIS BOOK SALES TO CHARITIES AND NAMES THEM (AND "BY THE WAY" - THE BIGGEST SELLING BOOK OF THE DECADE) "MILLIONS OF DOLLARS", EMPLOYS THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES, GIVES THE MONEY FROM HIS GAME TO CHARITY. .. THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.

Robert Lipsyte 26:46
I am very proud. People in your organization say that you've never given

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 26:52
in my organization, (Lipsyte: in your organization) Who are they?

Robert Lipsyte 26:53
I can't tell you that.

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 26:54
Well how could you tell me that people in my organization? I'd like you to produce the person in my organization that says anything negative (Lipsyte: you know I can't do that). Well ok then perhaps that person

Robert Lipsyte 27:05
million dollar. (Trump: Does that person exist? I mean, does it exist? You're telling me about a person in my own organization, does that person exist?). Lipsyte: the million dollars to the Vietnam Memorial was a matching grant. And that was a terrific thing. But there really hasn't been a lot of money.

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 27:20
It wasn't a matching grant the opposite way. It was me saying (Lipsyte: you set up a matching grant). if you raise another million I'll give. And they raised a million and a half. So essentially, I was responsible for two and a half million dollars to the Vietnam vets. I'm very proud of it. But dont tell me i haven't done anything

Robert Lipsyte 27:34
I think you have a right to give as much or as little money as you choose.

D, Trump 27:40
Don't say a little money, don't say a little money

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 27:40
If you gave percentage wise what I gave Bob, you'd be very proud. And your family would be very proud of her. They were happy.

Robert Lipsyte 27:48
But thepoint is that in terms of what you can do, and you bring this up because you're inveighing against the Japanese, and you're talking about the death penalty, in terms of really specific things for this city

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 28:01
Excuse me those are important contributions

Robert Lipsyte 28:03
Of course, but we have to go we have to go beyond the death penalty, we and I know that you're sick of underlying causes. But there are people who even think that you may be part of the problem for underlying causes. But you know that there are people who feel that the way that you have built in New York , that you have, and you're not the only one, other builders too but you are the most celebrated builder, you are the role model. I looked at that audience at that Donahue show, and those women were looking at you with awe and respect. You've become a role model. in this country. The reason that your book sells, the reason that your board game sells is because people are looking to leaders, people are looking for values and you're one of the people and it's no, you may dismiss it. But people are talking about you know, Donald Trump for President. What they're really talking about is Donald Trump, show us the way. Be the true white hat. So the question is, in terms of specific things, the Wolman Memorial was very nice, but north of the Wolman Memorial into the pockets of poverty and despair this is where the problems are, you know your way to Kings County, most people if they knew that way, don't want to go there. Most people want to get out of those neighborhoods. Most people want affordable housing. Most people want chances for jobs. That's not happening in this city. It's not happening for a number of reasons. And you're not making either specific contributions or specific programs to make that hapen

Continuing, without Trump's interruptions for once, Lipsyte strategically turns it around and praises Trump for the way he's built in New York, the most "Celebrated" builder and he has become a role model. With that People are looking for leaders and people are talking about "Donald Trump for President, show us the way"

Trump's response to Lipsyte's suggestions is his so called "big picture" and "long term solution". -- Put a tax on Japan for the products they are selling and the military defense we provide, as you then create "hundreds of billions of dollars toward the inner city and education"

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 34:09
just so you understand, I've built a lot of subsidized housing, senior citizen housing, that one beautiful house, beautiful housing, record setting housing. I'm a huge investor in Starrett City in Brooklyn, which is a job of middle income and lower middle income people and lower income people and senior citizens. And we own a big percentage of that job. We have a lot of developments out inf Brooklyn that when I got out of college, I was buying Brooklyn real estate and it's not high income housing by any stretch. I've done a lot. (Lipsyte: This is the pre Manhattan Trump, this was before the Tower, and the glitz, and the board game, and the book). This was the pre Manhattan Trump .

Robert Lipsyte 34:48
Yes. And the pre full page ad and the and the pre white hat

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 34:54
You see the problem is while I'm all for that, If the pre Manhattan Trump never became the Manhattan Trump, perhaps I wouldn't exist today economically, because you cannot economically do that. There is no money. There's no subsid. In those days, you had section 236, you had section eight, you had all different housing programs you were able to build. Today, you don't have that. Nobody

Robert Lipsyte 35:14
You're waiting for the government to do what you feel is right

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 35:17
I the government has to provide the financing for this because no individual can do it. Now, people don't like to say it they like to say, oh, as an individual you can build. The fact is that the numbers are so horrendous, the number the losses are so huge, that no individual can do anything meaningful in that way without government help. Now, when the government comes in, and finances it, Trump will build 1000s and 1000s of units. How is the government going to finance it though, when Japan is just ripping us dry? When West Germany and all of these other countries are ripping us dry, and we're losing hundreds of billions of dollars. We have to strengthen up the federal government and the programs have to filter back into the cities.

Robert Lipsyte 35:55
Donald, you're waiting for me because when you talk about the government, you're talking about my tax dollars, my puny tax dollars going to you as tax abatements or subsidies (Trump:looking at low low income and middle income housing), which I would certainly be willing to do if somebody was going to do it.

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 36:12
Look at it differently, look at it really differently. I want to tax Japan, I don't want to tax you. I want to tax West Germany, I want to tax Saudi Arabia, we keep them alive. If it weren't for us, they wouldn't even be here, they wouldn't exist. I mean, to think that Saudi Arabia would not allow us to use their mine sweepers to police their own Persian Gulf is beyond me. I want to attack Saudi Arabia for the job we do in keeping them alive, they wouldn't be here for 20 minutes. If we ever said you're on your own baby, I want to get the money for I don't I'm not looking to tax you. And I know you're very conscious of being taxed, obviously.

Trump lays out his "tax other countries ideas". His current day Tariff program at its beginnings. Lipsyte insists that Trump's idea of taxing other countries is not so simple. of course, he disagrees and goes on and on about the benefits.

Robert Lipsyte 41:04
Are you saying you will take it home and get it drafted?

Donald Trump (NT-3192) 41:07
No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I hope that somebody comes along who can be an advocate, and I think that somebody will be so popular. He'll (Lipsyte: you haven't seen anybody?). He or she will be the most, but I don't see it now. I wish that person were there. I don't know how much longer we have. But again, I do know one thing. It's not a question. This country is losing hundreds of billions. It's not a question if it's a question when. It is going to happen. It's going to happen drastically. It's going to be dramatic, and it's going to be horrible. And I'll tell you the other thing. This country has always reacted best under adverse conditions, whether it's wars or anything else. That's when unfortunately we're going to wake up. I'd like to see the country wake up long before that.

Robert Lipsyte 41:53
An ominous prediction, but hope in the future. This is the Eleventh Hour. I'm Robert Lipsyte.

Announcer 42:34
Funding for the 11th hour was made possible by grants from the Robert Wood Johnson Jr. Charitable Trust, the Geraldine r dodge Foundation, the Vincent Astor Foundation, the Jacob burns Foundation and by the members of 13

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