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"WHO IS HARE KRISHNA & WHY ARE THEY DOING ALL THOSE STRANGE THINGS?"
INTERVIEW WITH TEN FOLLOWERS OF KRISHNA. DISCUSS THEIR RELIGION & THEIR BELIEFS IN KRISHNA. FOOTAGE OF HARE KRISHNA'S DANCING, CHANTING & SINGING. 1970s SOCIAL CULTURE
INTERVIEW WITH TEN FOLLOWERS OF KRISHNA. DISCUSS THEIR RELIGION & THEIR BELIEFS IN KRISHNA. FOOTAGE OF HARE KRISHNA'S DANCING, CHANTING & SINGING. 1970s SOCIAL CULTURE
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DAVID SUSSKIND OPENS SHOW. TOPIC: HARE KRISHNA MOVEMENT. ASKS GUESTS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFICULT TO PRONOUNCE:
David Susskind We seem to be living in a time when religious cults are spreading all across the country, a particularly colorful group often seen dancing and chatting in the streets of the major cities of this country. New York and Chicago and Detroit and Pittsburgh, is called the HarE Krishna movement. Because their names are extremely difficult to pronounce. I'm going to ask my guests to introduce themselves. What is your name? Rupa Anuga My name is Rupa Anuga, Anuga means follower. And Rupa Goswami is a great Acharya or spiritual teacher in our lives and that means I follow up Rupa Goswami. David Susskind Right? And yes, ma'am Kalindi My name is Kalindi it's one of Krishna his favorite rivers. David Susskind Right Yoga Suara Das My name is Yoga Suara Das. That means I'm servant of Krishna who is a master of all mystic powers. Bhadra Raj Das My name is Bhadra Raj Das another name on the Supreme Lord and active servant. Rukmini My name is David Susskind a little louder Rukmini Rukmini and she is, I'm servant of Krishna's wife David Susskind A servant Krishna's wife. Okay. Mongo Maya Das Why name is Mongo Maya das Mongo Maya means full of auspiciousness David Susskind Auspicious. Mongo Maya Das auspiciousness, David Susskind right. Jia Adoyta Das My name is Jia Adoyta Das. Jai means victory. And Adoyta means the devotee requested the Supreme Lord to come to this world and spread this chant. Sats Varupa Das My name is Sats Varupa Das that means God has an eternal form? It doesn't die. And I'm his servant. Yoga Maya Dasi My name is Yoga Maya Dasi. Yoga, Maya is the internal potency of Krishna. Krishna has different energies, the external potency is this the inferior energy and the internal it's a superior energy. That's Yoga Maya. And I'm the servant of this of this potency. David Susskind You're the servant of this potency. Yoga Maya Dasi Well yes, it's Krishna displays himself in different energies. And everything on the absolute platform is equal. It's all it's all absolute, and it's all actually spiritual. So this is one of this is his spiritual energy, Yoga Maya. Bhagavad Das My name is Bhagavad Das. Bhagavad refers to the fact that God is full of opulence, and das means servants David Susskind you're a servant of opulence Bhagavad Das servant of one who possesses alah David Susskind right now, What instrument do you have and for what purpose? Bhadra Raj Das This is called harmonium, right. And it's instrument is used in Kaiton. Kaiton means joy singing to glorify the Lord. David Susskind Right let's see what that's like. David Susskind We'll be back in one minute. |
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HARE KRISHNA FOLLOWERS SING & CHANT HARI KRISHNA SONG. TRADITIONAL HARE KRISHNA OUTFITS. ADULTS AND CHILDREN DANCE AND SING. AT THE END OF THE SONG EVERYONE BOWS DOWN ON THE GROUND IN UNISON.
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INTERVIEW BEGINS:
David Susskind What is your movement about? Are you Americans? Rupa Anuga Yes I was born here in United States David Susskind and you had another religion once Rupa Anuga not all of us were born in United States, but most of us were David Susskind you were Catholic or Protestant. And what made you disillusioned about that religion? And what made you come to Krishna? Rupa Anuga Because Krishna gives us a taste that satisfies us. It makes us happy chanting Hare Krishna. David Susskind But what does it do in productive terms? I mean, you sing and dance in the streets, To what purpose Rupa Anuga to inform people to remind people about the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna, in this age, everyone is forgetful of God, it's a godless age. And people come into the material world in the first place to forget God David Susskind but can you serve God by functioning by growing crops, but doing doing something purposeful. you to sing Kalindi We are doing something. the root of all problem. The lack of foodstuff, the war and strife and the hypocrisy that exists in the world today is a lack of God consciousness. So simply, if you cure the disease in Biafra, then you have a Pakistan. After You have a Pakistan you have something else. So therefore, there's no cure, no material cure to the problem. The cure is spiritual? David Susskind What do you stand for? I know you don't. You don't eat meat, fish, eggs. You don't gamble. You don't believe in sex, except on a very limited basis. You don't believe in intoxicants. You don't take tea, or drugs or coffee. What does that add up to? What? What? purposeful? But what thing do you do Bhadra Raj Das It purifies us David Susskind But now you're purified. For what purpose? Bhadra Raj Das To Love God. Love Krishna. Because Krishna is the supreme pure. David Susskind Would you love God as a Catholic or Protestant? but why didn't you do it in those terms? Bhadra Raj Das I don't know. But Krishna has come. And it's the message of Krishna has come and it's movement. It's come so pure. That it is changing the faces of all the youth all over the world David Susskind Well how did Krishna's message come to you. You bought a book Bhadra Raj Das a spiritual master. David Susskind What were you doing when Krishna came to you? Bhadra Raj Das I was playing harmonica in a blue band. David Susskind And one night you were playing and where did Krishna appear? Bhadra Raj Das I was playing in an opening of a temple, because I wanted to do some good we were doing everything for nothing. And so by chance that happened to play for an opening of the temple in Montreal David Susskind the Jewish temple? Bhadra Raj Das no, Radha Krishna. universal temple come from Love of God. They needed some money in order to help David Susskind at that time they were Protestant. Bhadra Raj Das No David Susskind What were you, athiest? Bhadra Raj Das Yeah they were playing and they were chanting. They said, Let's chant. David Susskind What were they chanting? something about the chant inlisted you? Bhadra Raj Das I didn't know at the time. But it stayed with me. For two years David Susskind Why I watched it, and it seemed like another form of revivalism or something Bhadra Raj Das We are revital Jia Adoyta Das yes, that's, that's a correct description. But it doesn't it's not limited in its definition. When we chant Hare Krishna, this is not any kind of an artificial imposition on anyone. By nature, we are all spiritual living beings. But because we come in contact with material nature, therefore this original consciousness is covered. And as a result, we're constantly engaged in waging a hard struggle for existence against this material nature. But that original dormant Krishna or God consciousness can be revived by this chanting Hare Krishna, this is the recommended means Yoga Maya Dasi This chanting spiritual sound. And because we're spiritual beings, it's attractive to our soul as well as to our ear. When we hear mundane sound vibrations, our ears pick it up, and it sounds pleasant or unpleasant. David Susskind Do you feel euphoria? Yoga Maya Dasi oh, yes, it's called transcendental bliss. So transcendental ecstasy, David Susskind Were you in bliss, I was watching you, Yoga Maya Dasi this is a much higher, much higher ecstasy than any material pleasure that you can experience because it's ever increasing. It gets nicer all the time, as you chant Hare Krishna, the more you chant, the more you want to chant. It's, David Susskind why is that ecstasy producing, Yoga Maya Dasi because you're being put in direct association with God. God is actually present in his name. He God incarnates in many, many different forms millions of different forms. And this is the sound, incarnation of God. God invests all of his energies in his name. He's not different from his name. If we have names, you're David. If I call you, David, you're different. Your body is different from David, the person, you're different from your name. But God is not different from his name. And he's not in person. We don't call him just God. We call him by his name, just as we don't call you, man. We call you David Susskind, or Mr. Susskind. And so we call God Krishna, because that's his name. That's one of His Names. David Susskind Yet people have called him. Jesus. People call him Buddha, people call him Mohamad Yoga Maya Dasi These are incarnations Jia Adoyta Das We're saying that people should call him. millions of names. David Susskind But why couldn't you call him through the religions of your birth Jia Adoyta Das You can, David Susskind but you didn't, Jia Adoyta Das right? Because no one's teaching us to do that. David Susskind Didn't your father mother teach you? not your priest? Jia Adoyta Das No. what we're teaching that we say David Susskind well, how did you come to it? So we can Jia Adoyta Das I can explain it to you. Right, everyone, right. That's why when we speak, we always offer respects to our spiritual master. Because originally, we're in the darkness of ignorance. And he comes with the torch light of knowledge and opens our eyes. We're thinking, our spiritual master, a spiritual master means the person who's a representative of Krishna, who comes and preaches the message of Krishna. David Susskind Where did you meet him Jia Adoyta Das in New York City, David Susskind where? Jia Adoyta Das Well at the temple there, I came to the temple first I bought, we have many records, and I heard a recordof our spiritual master. And I was just chatting. I was working for my father in a store, and I push boxes around and chant Hare Krishna, David Susskind and he must have been very upset. Jia Adoyta Das No, because I was working nicely. David Susskind Did he know what you were doing? Jia Adoyta Das Oh, no, because even I didn't know what I was doing. David Susskind Did he say, "what are you doing son? You're singing strange." Jia Adoyta Das No I just chatted softly to myself. David Susskind Did you cut your hair? Jia Adoyta Das No David Susskind Did you paint your Jia Adoyta Das that was later. Because by chanting. Of course, later, I gave up working and so many things happen. David Susskind How do you eat? Jia Adoyta Das Excuse me now? Well, we eat our temple. We offer all our food to Krishna. And then we take the remnants we collect donations from people David Susskind Any of you work Jia Adoyta Das some of us, yes, we have people who are accountants. We have people who are electrical engineers. David Susskind You go to work with this costume on Jia Adoyta Das No no. Most of us are not, we don't go to work. We go out chanting, and we got preaching to people. Please don't forget God. Remember your relationship with God. Chant the name of God. Bhagavad Das That's an important part. The social body just like you have a Body there's also a social body. The head of that body is considered the priestly class of people who instruct the others about offering everything back to God. It's the basic principle of one who is spiritual, you understand nothing as his. As soon as you claim something is yours, whether it's your watch, or your shoes, or your wife, your wife is your child. It is Krishna. I am Krishna and you are Krishna David Susskind is your wife, your wife? Bhagavad Das My wife is Krishna David Susskind is your child. Bhagavad Das Your everything belongs to God, you can't substantiate your claim. David Susskind Well, then what is your relationship to your wife and child? Bhagavad Das We're all serving Krishna David Susskind What does that mean Yoga Suara Das it's one of love. But that love is not ill founded. Krishna is at the center, therefore that love endures. I think if you look at the statistics, we'll find that today most relationships terminate rather quickly. And even if they are prolonged, at most, they can last till the end of one lifetime. Rukmini Actually love is based on the spirit. So when someone's lying dead, his mother is crying over him. John is gone. John is gone. My boy is gone. So that means she's loving the spirit. Yoga Suara Das Body is still there. But John is gone David Susskind You Marry? you do marry? So you, you two are married. Rukmini we are married David Susskind Right. So you did take one to the other? You did have a Rukmini But in Krishna consciousness. David Susskind What does that mean? Rukmini That means that we married in order to better facilitate our serving Krishna Bhagavad Das That is in everyone's interest. David Susskind Did you date before we married? No, we Rukmini No, we met in the temple. David Susskind Well, does one. Go on a date. You know, date. Did you go to the movies Rukmini We have movies made by our devotees about our spiritual master? David Susskind Did you hold hands? Rukmini No, it wasn't necessary. The idea is Bhadra Raj Das We desire to we know what our responsibilities are. You see, David Susskind How did you know you should marry? Bhadra Raj Das This marriage is not bad. It's not bad. David Susskind Did somebody ordain the marriage. Bhadra Raj Das Yes our spiritual master David Susskind who's your spiritual master? Bhadra Raj Das is divine grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the founder of this movement, David Susskind this chap and this holiness, ordained your marriage. He called you and said, I want you to marry this woman. Rukmini He said it would be a perfect marriage. David Susskind How did he know? Had you ever met? Rukmini Yes. Bhadra Raj Das We met just a little while before David Susskind Do you go through any Bhadra Raj Das courtship? David Susskind courtship. Yes, thank you. Bhadra Raj Das No, no, David Susskind no. He said, Marry. So you married? Bhadra Raj Das Well, more or less? No one is forced to marry. David Susskind Could You have said no Bhadra Raj Das we could have said no. But we had some desire to. Yoga Suara Das I think what we're trying to get at is this, that the marriages that take place in Krishna Consciousness aren't based on one's attraction for the other in terms of common interest or sex life or something like that. Releasing books? Well, if you want it to be a short relationship, that's fine. But in Krishna consciousness Rupa Anuga If that's the case it will be temporary, but actually, David Susskind Why will it be eternal? Rupa Anuga we all eternal as it is. We all are eternal living beings. spirit souls is simply temporary bodies. So we don't marry for some temporary bodily relationship. We married to help each other become more Krishna conscious more consciousness, have more consciousness of God. And then when the body drops, that's just the beginning, actually, because we can change these bodies and another material body, we can take a spiritual body, it's not difficult David Susskind You will have a child when he bids you to Rukmini Yoga Suara made a very nice point. Just know that if you really love someone, then you'll help them become really happy and find out who they are. Just like you asked the beginning. What what do your parents think of this? Well, my parents said they love me. So because they see that I'm becoming very happy, then they're pleased, because they know that previously I wasn't David Susskind But could this be another phase that you're in Rukmini It could be just like, Hupa Nuga Pravou has been chanting Hari Krishna for over four years, I've been chanting for three and a half years, so many devotees here for such a long time. And we're feeling rather than a decrease rather than some stagnation. We're feeling ever increasing transcendental bliss, ever increasing bliss? Sats Varupa Das If you take it out of the Sect, this is a this applies to everyone these things we're talking about that we're going, David Susskind what do you paint this thing for? Sats Varupa Das Because it's marks us as devotees of Krishna. The whole thing is to remind our brothers and sisters, this is your brother, brotherly love is based on the fact that God is our Father. We want to remind everyone the relationship to the One God, we're preachers is this dress. This marking is all to remind you, oh, there goes a Krishna person. And then he has to think of his own relationship to Krishna or God. David Susskind What is the tuft of hair? Each of you has? This is Sats Varupa Das This is called a sikha. This has done for the pleasure of our spiritual master it's the same thing spiritual markings to make one. Make one understand that here is a devotee and I can ask him about my relationship to God because when one dresses like this it means that 24 hours he's serving Krishna and trying to spread this very nice David Susskind Aren't you over dressing to explain your selves to God I mean, with the little thing of hair and the paint on the front Sats Varupa Das God know he knows very well but David Susskind But doesn't the average civilian walking down the street reading the Daily News? Sats Varupa Das He doesn't know about Krishna. What does he say in the Chicago Tribune? Birth, death disease, old age, then he looks up and he sees a devotee and there's Krishna David Susskind it's quite a sight. We'll be back in a minute. |
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INTERVIEW CONTINUES:
David Susskind This is the food. This is the food of Hare Krishna. what is it? Rukmini Different things. This is different preparations that we prepared our temple offer to Krishna. This is called poppadoms. And these are simply wonderful is named by our spiritual master. He said he said you eat them and you will become wonderful. And this is a vegetable called Why don't you try some very delicious David Susskind okay that's lovely. Yeah. Rukmini Take something else. David Susskind I don't want to overdo it as this. You eat this stuff all the time? Rukmini On Sunday we have a special feast at our center in every city all over the world. There's a beautiful love feast. It's called and we distribute this for shah David Susskind This is what you'd have on a wedding feast or something Rukmini Yeah, Sunday we're having a beautiful wedding and David Susskind I'd love to but I have a previous booking. Tell me how do you live? What's your day? Like? When do you get up in the morning Rukmini very early? Because we get up I get up at three in the morning. David Susskind Why Rukmini different people different times. But that's our spiritual masters instructed us Prabhupada that that's the best time for self realization. David Susskind Three o'clock in the morning? Bhadra Raj Das Actually happiness to be awake. If you if you said so many things. David Susskind How do you get up at three? Is your body's wake up? Jia Adoyta Das The body can be adjusted. It's practice David Susskind This is simply wonderful as you get up at three o'clock in the morning, right? And the whole city's dark. what do you do Kalindi We chant Hare Krishna David Susskind at three o'clock in the morning you chant? Kalindi Well, first we bathe and then we chat. We go to the temple immediately. David Susskind You bathe first, Kalindi we bathe first. David Susskind How many times a day do you bathe Kalindi twice a day. David Susskind Sort of a cleaning finish. Kalindi The cleanliness is next to godliness. David Susskind leave yourself open for those and then you you get up and you take a bath and then you eat some of this do you Rukmini well after a while but we have a very beautiful program at each of our temples. David Susskind You go to the temple right away. Rukmini Yeah, we have a ceremony called Arati which is worshiping the Lord. Aratic means to receive the Lord. So we all chant this Arati ceremony and play nice instruments like this harmonium Matranga the drums you saw in nice cartels very beautiful. Very early in the morning Rupa Anuga And we study. We are very nice books literature's the Krishna book, the Srimad Bhagavatam. We study the past times of God. This is a specific contribution of our movement that we are explaining to the world. What God looks like, what he was doing, was associate saw, what does he look like? David Susskind what does he look like? What does God look like? He's light and ducks. Yoga Maya Dasi That's the spiritual world. We have descriptions in our literature of the spiritual world. David Susskind And who are his associates, animals and flowers Rupa Anuga all the spirit devotees. Mostly he has a family. You see, everything of this material world is a reflection of the spiritual world. The Supreme Personality of Godhead has a mother or father. He has a brother. He has friends servants. Everything that we see here is simply a reflection of that. It's temporary. That's why the love of this material world temporary. Actual love means what I am. Continuous David Susskind Why? Why do you have to get up at three in the morning? Mongo Maya Das Well those hours are called the most auspicious hours of the day. You know the best hours are the most conducive for a spiritual realization David Susskind what time you go to sleep Mongo Maya Das 9:30 David Susskind 9:30 at night, Rupa Anuga we don't even like to go to sleep. They're the greatest remasters in our line used to forget to go to sleep. There was so much love of Krishna. They forget to eat sometimes. We're so busy in the material world trying to sleep we think sleep as recreation but we think sleeping is death want to be awake, wide awake and conscious of Krishna all the time Yoga Suara Das Therefore this chatting in the street people are asleep. We're trying to wake them up David Susskind when you you don't eat. Rukmini Take some more. David Susskind No, no. I mean, it's delicious. But I'm full I think that throw me from it. Oh, what do you you don't eat meat? No, you're vegetarians, Mongo Maya Das only vegetable foodstuffs. Krishna says the Bhagavad Gita offer me a leaf, some fruit, some water. David Susskind But you also don't have fish Mongo Maya Das no fish either. Krishna says If you offer these foodstuffs to me with love, he says I will accept it. And so that's why this food stuff is call prasada. Prasada means mercy of the Lord. Because Krishna says anyone who, who eats something without offering it to me, first person is a thief. So we offer the food to Krishna first, and then he takes not that he needs it. But we offer to him with the love. And then we take the ruminants. David Susskind You also have no stimulants or intoxicants. Mongo Maya Das No if you're chanting Hare Krishna, that's the highest. It's the highest. Love of God David Susskind You will forget whiskey and all that. But what about tea and coffee? Mongo Maya Das That's also intoxicant. You know, pick me up. Jia Adoyta Das What's the value? David Susskind Would you have a Coca Cola? Jia Adoyta Das What's the How does it add to our God consciousness? That's our criteria for doing anything. Chanting Hare Krishna adds to our consciousness. Rukmini simply wonderful. Don't even desire it. That's, that's the philosophy that by experiencing a higher taste, you forget about the lower taste. So we've all given up smoking cigarettes, so many things, because we're tasting something sweeter. Rupa Anuga We're not We're not giving up the world. We're not ascetics. We simply are developing higher taste. So we can give up these things. You see if I said you stop smoking, David, now you stop. Alright, you say, all right. No, I'll stop smoking today. And never again. But what's going to happen within a week or two, that just maybe change a brand, which will be smoking. But if you develop a higher taste, you have no desire to smoke. So we have no desire to eat meat. We have no desire to smoke cigarettes, we have the desire for these things because David Susskind Do you have any desire. Rupa Anuga Yes, desires are always fulfilled. Because our desires are fulfilled by Krishna directly, not indirectly. We don't want to have indirect relationship with God. We want to be fully conscious of God. And say David Susskind Did God in any way say don't eat the fish or don't eat meat. Kalindi Jesus Christ said Thou shalt not kill the commandment. But we have said we we've said we shouldn't kill people. But why should we kill animals? Bhagavad Das How can you have a nice plate like this and a cow here? What would you do? Would you kill the cow? David Susskind I go right to the cow. For the milk Rupa Anuga We don't have to kill the cow to take the milk. Why Cause the animal pain? Why do you have to chop a tree down to get the apple? No, you can take the fruit the gods providing is providing this light even. It's providing everything we were taking David Susskind that's Con Edison Rupa Anuga It's coming from the sun, the sun's coming from Krishna. It's all coming from Krishna. Everything is emanating from Krishna. So all we're doing one little trick we've learned to be happy that we accept joyfully we accept because it's Krishna's mercy. But we give back. Because it's his Yoga Suara Das That's a very interesting example that you just gave when you say that this light is coming from Con Edison. That's the point of this movement to change the vision which people have from one of material consciousness or conscious of simply what their senses are dictating to them to one which is tempered by knowledge coming down through the line of teachers of spiritual masters Rupa Anuga Now, as we say, we know what the Sun is made of. Right, David, right here on this earth planet. There's all the ingredients for the sun, right? So why don't we make one little tiny one just to float over the New York area and light up the night? Because we don't really want David Susskind Back to the dish with stuff with Kalindi Because you are what you eat. David Susskind You are what you eat. I've read that Kalindi So this is spiritual food stuff. So simply by taking spiritual food stuff. David Susskind Would that be a typical dinner on Sunday? Kalindi Because during the week we eat very simply David Susskind that's a feast. Rupa Anuga Yes, isn't it? Rukmini Take some vegetables David Susskind Oh, no. We'll be back. We'll be back in a minute. |
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BACK IN THE STUDIO. HARE KRISHNA MUSIC IS PLAYING. GUESTS AND AUDIENCE IS SINGING AND DANCING. PLAYING INSTRUMENTS.
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INTERVIEW CONTINUES:
David Susskind All right. All right. If you would just contain your extasy for a minute or two, I just want to ask you a couple of questions. Do you live in what would probably be described to the rest of us as a commune? Mongo Maya Das Yes, Ashram. Ashram means it's a center for spiritual life. David Susskind But it's a communal Jia Adoyta Das Depends what you mean, David Susskind Do you all live together? Yoga Maya Dasi we have about 120 living there. Now, in under any other conditions. If you took people who didn't know each other from all different backgrounds and put them in this one big place, you'd have chaos, but we have a very nicely organized well run wonderful community where everyone gets along because it's God centered. David Susskind Is it run democratically do you vote on things? Rupa Anuga volunteer, all volunteer authority, this authority is coming from our spiritual masters David Susskind Right, but is there a leader of the group and each sub leader and deputy president, you a prisoner of the temple, what you say goes, Well, you do the dishes, you clean up you Rupa Anuga Yes for organizational purposes, we have leaders like Jia Adoyta Das Here's the thing. When you say commune, you mean a convenient social arrangement for everyone's gratification of their temporary sense of their body? David Susskind I didn't think I meant that. Well. Jia Adoyta Das You know, when I talk like when you talk about hippie communes, Haight Street, that's what we mean, David Susskind you're a structured commune Jia Adoyta Das well, structured. Here's the thing that the center of our of our commune is Krishna. And the orders of Krishna Krishna says, offer me the flower, we're doing it. He tells us who cooks it, but we do it according to a Krishna says we offered to Krishna. Bhagavad Das If the whole world could live like this, then it would be peace and prosperity David Susskind Does Krishna dictate the cutting of the hair this way?the painting of the face. The parts of the body. Rukmini It's not for Everyone understand? It's not that we're proposing that that every man shaved his head that every man, I'm not working a job, but simply the Krishna consciousness should be added the consciousness that everything is coming from Krishna. So everything should be used foe Krishna David Susskind Where do you get the money to pay the food bill, Bhagavad Das Krishna, Krishna, David Susskind He sends money Bhagavad Das Yes, Krishna sent us some nice insence David Susskind You burn incense and sell it. Now, marriages and arrangements you order those Rupa Anuga The main the basic principles is compatibility David Susskind you ordered these two to be. Rupa Anuga But you see, when two devotees desire to get married, it is out to get married is based on their vision. They see each other as fellow servants, not as simple, simply sense objects for each other as fellow servants. And if they desire to get married, they ask permission. And then there's a discussion as to why David Susskind Who do they ask permission from, you? Rupa Anuga They ask permission from our spiritual master. David Susskind Who is that Rupa Anuga Bhaktivedanta David Susskind He's where? Brooklyn? Rupa Anuga Right now he's in India after traveling around the world again, David Susskind how do you get word to him that you'd like to get married. By Mail? He writes back, okay. Rupa Anuga Yes. David Susskind Right. Rukmini He was in Brooklyn, just a few months ago. David Susskind And did you see him? Rukmini Yeah. David Susskind And he said, Fine, Rukmini We have been married a few years. David Susskind Right. Well, did he approve of you too? Rukmini Yes. David Susskind Right. Then then what is the procedure? Do you have to talk to your mother and father? What about your parents? You see them? Rupa Anuga They're invited to the wedding? Rukmini They are givennice garlands David Susskind That garland there? Now You say I want to get married? He says, Okay. Then. Under what circumstances? Would he say no? Rupa Anuga Well, he doesn't say no. He says, if you have discussed that nicely, and understand why you're getting married, what the purpose of married life is not simply to raise children, and the ignorance of the Lord. If you understand what what married life means, then you may get married but with understanding Kalindi a child in Krishna consciousness, is raised is given knowledge, both materially and spiritually. David Susskind Are you married? Kalindi Yes I am I'm married to Rupa Anuga David Susskind right and you got permission from the leaders Rupa Anuga we were before we came to Krishna conscious. David Susskind you can be married and come to the movement. Rupa Anuga The movement has only been alive for five years old in United States. So we were all doing a lot of things before David Susskind right now you can't court in the traditional way. You can't go to a movie or a dance. Yoga Suara Das You do whatever you want to do. Yoga Maya Dasi There are no rules In this process, Kalindi you can chant Hare Krishna when you go home tonight. David Susskind Who can you everybody? Can you can you touch can you dance? Can you kiss? Can you do any of those things Rukmini You can dance but this dancing is different from that dancing David Susskind Yes, it's solo dance. Mongo Maya Das Dancing with Krishna. Some people some people are dancing with body or illusion. Some people are dancing with Krishna. We're dancing with Krishna. David Susskind Not with her. Mongo Maya Das Or we're dancing alongside with her but we're both dancing with Krishna. Jia Adoyta Das And you have to examine what's the result of that dancing. Yoga Maya Dasi We dance for the pleasure serve the Lord, not for our own pleasure. Mongo Maya Das Everyone wants to dance with beautiful girls Yoga Maya Dasi No, that's not our motivation. The result is that we, we receive pleasure by pleasing God, you are automatically pleased you enjoy along with him, just like the servant of a very wealthy millionaire. He lives almost as nicely as as the millionaire, he's got his own nice quarters in the house. So if we're serving this, the Supreme Lord, we enjoy along with him, but first, we must please his sentence because he's the Supreme Person. David Susskind I did that research about your movement. And it says that after you got permission to marry, you do in fact married and this kind of lovely ceremony because then you don't need permission to have children. But your sexual activities are preordained by this Krishna Rupa Anuga Family planning. To have children not to avoid having children. We want to have children so that we can raise them in Krishna service. David Susskind But when you have children, you have to precede it by five hours of chanting, Rupa Anuga always chatting to voice that we'd like today we proceeded by several hours chanting before we came here David Susskind but a man and woman had said, I'd like to give birth to a child. I'd like to create a family. Jia Adoyta Das You want to create the best child? David Susskind You have five hours of conditioning Jia Adoyta Das because just like if you examine medically David Susskind But couldn't you lose the the idea? Jia Adoyta Das No. Because the idea what's the idea of Krishna? The idea is that you don't lose the idea. The idea is to serve Krishna by chanting let's start singing that sing I'm beads you can chat anyway. No hard and fast rules for chanting. But at the end of by chanting for that time. What are you thinking of Krishna? Krishna Krishna. David Susskind Shouldn't you be thinking of Miriam Miriam, Miriam. Does Miriam or Martha ever take over from Krishna. Rupa Anuga Everyday everybody in the world. Right in the world is very much after sex life because sex life is the highest pleasure? David Susskind Well, it's a contender. Rupa Anuga Well, well, until we get too old. it's a very, it's very nice. But now, the thing is that everyone's got plenty of that. Everybody has plenty sex life. Yet no one's happy. David Susskind Wait a minute, you can't make categorical about that Rupa Anuga What are then what is happiness? David Susskind What do you mean no one is happy? Rupa Anuga what is happiness? David Susskind Happiness is a condition of no condition moment or self realization or pleasure. A feeling of happiness, ecstasy Rupa Anuga No come down. David Susskind Oh sure you come down Rupa Anuga There's a different high, we're talking about a spiritual heart needs to stay high forever. But you just must chant. Now if we stopped chanting, we would come back down to the material platform, but we don't. Because we've learned the secret. So we keep chatting, chatting, chatting, chatting all the time. David Susskind Does your wife never say knock off the chatting and love me? I chat if you love me. Right? Is there a limit on the families that you can have. Can you have as many children as you want? Jia Adoyta Das to limit is that no one should have a child and that they can raise the child to be free from death. We're all heading for death maybe in a moment, maybe 10 years. But if you can raise your children and yourself, become free of death is actually possible but love of God. David Susskind when your parents see you do they see you maintain contacts with your family. Mongo Maya Das As a matter of fact, about two weeks ago, my parents came back from Washington DC, when I got married, and they were very pleased and they liked it. Very much David Susskind the folks came up from Washington, are you in that gear and said terrific Tom Mongo Maya Das Oh, they liked it. It's a beautiful ceremony. Every parent should be feel very fortunate that their child is a devotee. It's very rare. And it's, it's a blessing. David Susskind Your mother happ with what you've done with your life? Kalindi My mother is beginning to understand Krishna consciousness to do associations. Through my association, she can come to know Krishna Rupa Anuga most this way just to things like, you know, if you go to a psychiatrist, he takes he sees it you're upset about being say attached to something. So he says now we're going to take you on attach it to that because that's not acceptable by society or your wife, your friends is something of your lover. So we put you over here, now be attached to that and you'll be touched that but your anxiety is still there. But what is happening to transcendental psychology, which is what we're doing with like with therapists. What we do is we is we help a person fix their consciousness on a higher platform to Krishna, not just change it from set left to right David Susskind Now the people are crossing the streets in Chicago and Pittsburgh, Detroit, LA, San Francisco and they see you What would you like them to think? Because they think it's a very strange sight. I mean, I have passed you in New York and wondered what that devil are they doing? Rupa Anuga Well, we want them to stop speculating on us and ask us what we're doing. That's our whole business. David Susskind And then they say maybe your cop outs you're Rupa Anuga we're actually drop ins were back in. We're really in this Hare Krishna movement is the thing that every intelligent person has Look at what we're saying not to say oh, you're chanting Hare Krishna but what's behind it, Rukmini but we're not hippies, we're happy. David Susskind You want to sing your national anthem. You want to do the thing because we're about to run out of time. 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HARE KRISHNA GUESTS LEAD THE AUDIENCE IN THE HARE KRISHNA ANTHEM. EVERYONE IS SINGING, DANCING, JUMPING, CHANTING. WOME ARE PLAYING INSTRUMENTS.
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GUESTS AND AUDIENCE CHANTING/SINGING HARE KRISHNA. CLOSING CREDITS SCROLL OVER.
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