Historic Films Stock Footage Archive: DS-306

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01:00:39 40	Show Starts Panel of Two families discussing mother-in-law. David Susskind 00:40 I'm curious about this advanced stage of your marriage as you have children now you have particular ways of dealing with your household, the way you cook and the way you have discipline or the absence of discipline with respect to children. how critical are they these days Woman 1 Very. My mother was very informal. She does her serving in a bra half slip and earrings, because she doesn't like to take off her earrings, but that's how she serves at the table. We're very formal in our house and we have you know, dinner party or dinner company so that she's always you know, she always says that I'm doing it to the letter. She's very informal when she serves. She, you know David Susskind Informal or bizarre? Speaker 1 Bizarre
01:01:21 81.06	David Susskind How about the way you bring up the children, that a source of friction, yes, Woman 2 DS-306 only with me and one respect is, uh, I don't have a lot of patience with my children. And she sure to let me know about it, although I'm quite aware of it myself. And I find that this is hard to take because it bothers me enough. I don't have to be reminded about it. You know, I meant to say "what did you do today?" talk on the phone. And she's right. I've been talking on the phone. But she is the type of grandmother that is absolutely the world's greatest grandmother, she can come in after a whole day's work and play on the floor and love and love every minute of it and truly enjoy every minute with the children. And I envy her I wish that I could feel that way.
01:02:04 124.51	David Susskind When they come into the home, do they check the contents of the refrigerator, drawers? Woman 1 02:10 My table drawers, everything. Oh, yeah. (Susskind: she opens them?). everything. Absolutely. Closets, everything. She goes through everything. David Susskind What, what purpose? Speaker 1 Well to see what I've bought, I have to take price tickets off right away. Immediately. I have to take price tickets off or hide things under the bed, or you know, in boxes because she loves to see you know how much money I'm spending. It's not that her husband isn't making the- her son is not making enough. He's always making- right. He's always making enough. As far as she's concerned, it's I that's spending too much. So I have to take the price tickets off of everything. No matter what she wants me to buy day old bread. So I tell them I buy daily old bread, you know, that makes her happier that I'm economizing. And she's like a foreunner of our Bess Myerson. She really looks at the additives and preservatives and everything that's in the you know the ingredients of the vegetables and fruit and everything you buy. She would want me to spend a week and a half in a supermarket for one week. You know just to send home an order and she's very conscious of price and you go from one store to another and you buy everything cheaper, cheaper. (susskind: Is she very rich?). No. Well if she was I wouldn't be on this program I'd be worried about the will! David Susskind Because her habits are so, uh- Woman 1 She's very frugal, very conservative, but I came on like gangbusters because I'm not frugal, I'm very extravagant. So that's where we are.
01:03:19 199.62	Woman 2 DS-306 IMy mother in law resents too my mother in law isn't frugal, but she's just- I'm just extravagant. And I think she's right about many things that she says but the question is, this is my life, and this is the way I live it, and Man 1 DS-306 That's what my mother in law says about my life. David Susskind Alexa had a very difficult with respect to your Man 1 DS-306 well she doesn't she doesn't make a you know an inspection tour much as a mother in law of a daughter in law might because it is her daughter. So she won't check you know the cupboard to see if there's food or what the ingredients are but she'll you know, go for the uh, maybe the uh night table drawer and see what I have in there if I have anything that shouldn't be in there or maybe should come across a bank account and God forbid if it's in my name alone, you know, it looks like I'm developing a plot to do in my wife, uh, and with reference to plots she hasn't done it yet. And this is an inspiration to you mom. I really don't put it past her to send me a gift certificate to the local cemetery you know that's the kind of thing
01:04:25 265.48	David Susskind It's not getting any better now after this whole long Man 1 DS-306 It started down there and then went down there. Except for the, you know, the moment at the wedding when she said David Susskind Does your wife ever entreat you to come on, be nicer, understand she's an old lady and give a little more. Man 1 DS-306 I tried but I gave it the office. I tried to be understanding with the woman and I didn't go into the marriage with the view that I love you, but I hate your mother. You know I only met the woman three times, once through a fourth story window, so I had no pre-conditioned hate for her. I've since refined that down, but I think with just cause but I didn't go in saying, "hey, I'm going to have trouble with my mother in law." I went in on an innocent babe. And boom, that was the 88s and the 105s that she let fly, and you can't, you know, somebody keeps punching you. You don't want to keep saying hi. You want to say bye. David Susskind Have you ever had the kind of falling out where you didn't speak for months at a time? Man 1 DS-306 Such good fate has not befallen me.
01:05:29 328.98	Woman 1 DS-306 She didn't know it. I didn't speak to her for months, but she never knew it. She didn't know when we called and we spoke it was just hello and that was it. But my husband is terrific. It my circumstances a little more unusual, because my husband lost his brother and his father in the space of a month. So that I knew this was before I was married, so that I knew that I would have a little difficulty and an over possessive mother in law. So we really worked it out very well from the beginning. And we got a good training ground, good basic training. And we're very honest, very open relationship, very honest. Whatever I have on my mind, I asked her if I could come on this program, she said, as long as you get paid for it, say anything you want. David Susskind Is it possible that you could be responsible for part of the good part of the problem? I mean, you simply it's a generation gap, they don't understand your ways, and that you're too rigid, and you won't give enough? Woman 1 DS-306 Well I flex, I flex for my husband's sake I really do to keep you know, happiness. And we have a great relationship, which is very honest and outspoken with each other. And we have a very good relationship. Woman 2 DS-306 My mother in law and I are the same. I mean, we are outspoken. And I do by, you know, I mean, these are just some of the things have happened. But by nature, I do have a very good relationship with my mother in law. She tried. I had very poor relationship with my mother. And she tried very hard, truthfully, to make me feel like a daughter. And she has an extremely close relationship with my sister in law. And she one, one time she had a coat we'd done for my sister in law, and I had taken her shopping to buy a coat and all I was in the market for was a plain cloth coat. She insisted I had to have a coat with the fur on it. And she paid the difference. Woman 1 DS-306 Oh, you're lucky. No, I was supposed to get her first engagement ring and it was it was not really big enough. So I said no. And that's where it all started. It was small and it had a little carve in it Woman 2 DS-306 And, and I was I was very sentimental. So I was thrilled to have her engagement ring. Woman 1 DS-306 Oh, I'm not sentimental I just, you know, wanted a bigger stone
01:07:16 436.8	Man 1 DS-306 With this kind of, my mother in law has has indicated to me a willingness to get me a stone. She offers these things, you know it says RIP David Susskind With this kind of ongoing friction in all of your marriages with and directed toward the mother in law. How do your mates function with their mothers? I mean, are they driven closer? Are they always explaining them away? Woman 1 DS-306 Oh no, uh, no. Woman 3 DS-306 Oh, I find yes because I married a mama's boy. And I try to make myself over into mama. That is what caused the problem in my marriage, because I was going against my own grain, I would say yes, when deep down inside, I really meant no. So I more or less went along with my mother in law to keep the peace. Man 1 DS-306 I think my wife uses a, I really have to compliment her on the technique because it is a-terrible is the only word I can explain it is a terrible kind of situation that's involved there. She loves me and it is her mother and there's this friction between us. And so what she'll try to do to some small extent is you know, to poopoo a situation that really gets me up the wall. She'll try to pacify her mother. Unfortunately, she's, you know, the barrier between and sometimes the peacemaker really gets the brunt of it. But she'll use that as a device. If she sees it's beginning to get too hot and heavy, she'll take mom in, into the other room, you know, and show us something she got or she'll send me to get something just to get us out of the same physical area so that the uh, you know, Man 2 DS-306 I agree completely with you again, we don't see our in laws that often so I don't have David Susskind Is that a good idea? Man 2 DS-306 I think it's a marvelous idea. There's nothing like having peace in your own home. David Susskind I think it should-
01:09:03 543.77	Man 2 DS-306 In fact, there's one advantage in having a mother in law like I have. We lived in Flushing, and she gave us $2,000 to buy a house 50 miles out on the island. David Susskind That's a nice mother. Man 2 - That's beautiful. Man 1 DS-306 I would have taken a $1,000 and gone 200 miles. That's the kind of deal I would have shot. David Susskind Two final questions. If you knew then what you know now, would you have done anything differently? Woman 1 DS-306 No, I would not. Woman 3 DS-306 Yes, I would have been me instead of my mother more. I would've. Man 3 DS-306 I think I would have gone out and bought a 38. David Susskind Aw That's too radical Woman 2 DS-306 I think I think I would have given in from the beginning. I think at the beginning I fought her all the way. And I think I would have given in from the beginning and just kept the peace of all along because she does so many good things that it's not worth the fighting that goes along with a couple of things that I disagree with. Man 1 DS-306 I would not have changed the thing. The price I'm paying i think is exorbitant. But no, it is but what I have my wife and my two children make up for it. I know it sounds a little corny and stuff, but it was worth the price.
01:10:06 606.61	David Susskind A last quick thing to mothers in law out there in television land. What word of advice would you give? Woman 1 DS-306 Lay off. Woman 3 DS-306 Mind your own business. David Susskind 10:17 Lay off. Mind your own business. Mel? Man 3 DS-306 Cool it. David Susskind Jack? Man 1 DS-306 10:22 Send notes don't visit. David Susskind Jim? Man 2 DS-306 10:26 Stay in Connecticut and we'll stay in Long Island. Woman 2 DS-306 10:32 Just we have our own life to live and we way we live it is the way it's gonna be, good, bad or indifferent. We have to make our own bed. David Susskind Okay, mothers in law. They had it. We'll be back in a minute.
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01:11:12 672.63	New Show- Four members of the John Birch Society
01:11:14 674.4	David Susskind 11:14 And now four members of the John Birch Society. I'd like to present them now. A former left wing activist Charles Smith now lectures for the John Birch Society. He lives in Santa Barbara, California. Scott Stanley is managing editor of the John Birch Society magazine, American Opinion. And he also edits a conservative weekly called the Review of the News. California writer Gary Allen has recently co-authored a book titled None Dare Call It Conspiracy, in which he accuses President Nixon of being a member of a leftist international conspiracy. And finally, Alan Stang. He is a contributing editor of American Opinion magazine. And he has a syndicated radio program. President Nixon a member of a left wing conspiracy? Gary Allen DS-306 12:01 Yes. I hope you read the book. David Susskind 12:03 Oh, I did read your book. Gary Allen DS-306 12:04 Then you know that he's tied up with a clique based on the Council on Foreign Relations, which was established in 1921 to put the United States in a world government. David Susskind 12:15 Right, but to the audience that hasn't read the book, unfortunately. Gary Allen DS-306 12:18 Well, let's get them down store and have them buy a copy of the book, how about that. Can I get a commercial right here? David Susskind 12:26 Whether you can or you can't, you have Gary Allen DS-306 12:28 Private enterprises are very sneaky, David. David Susskind 12:30 Right. Okay. Now, Gary, to the unknowing audience out there, how and why, and in what way is President Nixon a member of the left wing conspiracy?
01:12:42 762.97	Gary Allen DS-306 12:42 Well, he's just sort of a minion that's been brought in. And actually, when you get to the apex, you're talking about people like David Rockefeller, who was Chairman of the Board of this group called the Council on Foreign Relations, which I imagine most of your audience has never heard of, despite the fact that there are 115 members of the Council on Foreign Relations in the Nixon administration. David Susskind 13:01 In your view is David Rock- is the Rockefeller family left wing? Gary Allen DS-306 13:05 Well, certainly, there is nobody that promotes more socialism than does the Rockefellers. But I think that in order so that, it won't sound like we're saying, we got a flying saucer out back, we have to define Socialism, which I think in reality is a move for power on the part of a conspiratorial elite, which the average person think is supposed to divide the wealth, but you look at the people that are promoting socialism in this country, the super rich, like Teddy Kennedy and Nelson and David Rockefeller, and the Ford family. They all keep their money in tax free foundations, so they don't have to pay the taxes, that all of their programs that they pile on the rest of us cost. David Susskind 13:45 Why would all these rich men in America want Socialism in America? Gary Allen DS-306 13:49 Because socialism is not a divide the wealth program, it's a consolidate control the wealth program. if you control the apex of a federal government that controls everything, then you get de facto control over all the wealth in the country.
01:14:03 843.78	David Susskind 14:04 What should we do about this conspiracy? What should we do about it? Kennedys and Rockefellers and Nixons I mean, how do we prevent this virus from eating us up? Scott Stanley DS-306 14:16 Well that's the that's the problem with the conservative party has been wrestling with for 10 years now the 10 years that I've been on the wrestling match David Susskind 14:26 Successfully? Scott Stanley DS-306 14:27 No, I don't think so. I think the thing that's that's most misunderstood about what we're trying to do iand we're really we're a middle American movement. We're not Mr. Rich bucks. We're not with the Rockefeller crew. We're not with the Kennedy crew. We're not with the great David Susskind 14:47 Well, What are "we?" Identify the enemy. Could you give us some names that represent your hero? Scott Stanley DS-306 14:51 Sure, sure I will. You'll begin by recognizing that almost 90% of the income taxes paid in this country are being paid by people who make $200 a week or less. They're the people who are who are carrying the load. They're the people who, whose wife is a is going to get her purse snatched or is going to get knocked in the head or raped in the street, whose kids are going to be put into a classroom where, where violence is the norm and education is mediocre at best. They're the the regular normal middle Americans who love the flag and, and honor honor traditional American virtue. David Susskind 15:32 But Scott, you pointed out celebrated enemies. Could you point out celebrated colleagues? Who are your heroes at the moment? Well i think the world understand that Americans know. Scott Stanley DS-306 15:46 I think George Wallace is one of our heroes right now. And I think I think it's fair to say that George Wallace has been talking about all the things that we've been talking about for a decade. David Susskind 15:59 Right, who else besides George Wallace? Scott Stanley DS-306 16:00 I think Congressman, John Schmitz in the House of Representatives, Congressman Russolo, Congressman Crane, Congressman Lane Green, over in the United States Senate . David Susskind 16:12 We don't know those people. Can you name somebody that we might know? I mean, I happen to know Bruce Lowenschmitz, but I would think the most of my peers don't. Scott Stanley DS-306 16:21 Well, Congressman, HR Gross of Iowa. There are there are a number of conservatives in the House of Representatives. And I think you put your finger on on the problem.
01:16:32 992.7	David Susskind 16:29 That the media conspire against you, do you think? Scott Stanley DS-306 16:35 Well, I don't know whether they conspire or not, but they certainly don't have a Congressman Layne Grieve and Congressman Gross and the outspoken conservatives in the House of Representatives on on national television programs. David Susskind 16:47 And they might just say anything? Scott Stanley DS-306 16:49 I think they have a great deal to say in fact, the best attendance record, one of the most outspoken men in the House of Representatives is HR Gross of Iowa. A brilliant and effective Congressman, perhaps one of the best congressmen in the last 20 years David Susskind 17:03 Would HL Hunt of Texas be one of your friends? Scott Stanley DS-306 17:07 Well, he is a he is not an enemy. No one wants to be an enemy of HL Hunt of Texas, but he HL Hunt of Texas, a very eccentric man and he goes his own way and does his own thing. I don't know the man I don't know enough about him to really comment. David Susskind 17:24 Right.Isn't something of an of an irony for a Black man to be a member of the John Birch Society? Charles Smith DS-306 17:33 No? David Susskind 17:34 it's an extreme right wing group. It's extremely conservative group. Charles Smith DS-306 17:41 Well, you're putting words in my mouth. (Susskind: What is it?). Actually lets get to this one point first. This Right Wing business. In our opinion, fascism, communism, socialism, and Nazism are all the same things. Because they all involve unlimited power in government. David Susskind 17:59 You don't stand with Julian Bond or Roy Wilkins, or uh Charles Smith DS-306 18:03 That's like laying down with dogs. You get it with fleas. No, I would
01:16:32 992.7	David Susskind 18:07 You stand with George Wallace? Charles Smith DS-306 18:09 Well, I stand where I stand shoulder to shoulder with the ordinary American. David Susskind 18:12 With George Wallace? Charles Smith DS-306 18:13 He's an ordinary American. David Susskind 18:15 And you're shoulder to shoulder with him? Charles Smith DS-306 18:17 George Wallace and as a matter of fact, I went out one time and, and I was on the same platform with him. And I told him we're gonna go eyeball eyeball, nose to nose. And if you're wrong, I'm gonna hit you in it. So I got nothing with George Wallace, matter of fact, the ordinary American David Susskind 18:29 Would you support him for president? Charles Smith DS-306 18:31 Would I support him? Oh, I most certainly will. I will support any candidate unless the candidate promoted more government. And I think the secret here, the key to what we're talking about is that the communists are not trying to overthrow the American government. And they never had been trying to overthrow it. What the communist had been doing for years, it's finding every excuse to give us more and more and more government. The objective is to give us total government. Total government is communism. That's the idea. David Susskind 18:55 Right? So your enemies by your definition would be Stokes, Congressman Stokes. Now wait a minute, my enemies by my definition, David Susskind: Shirley Chisholm? Charles Smith: My enemies, by my definition, would be those people who for whatever reason, promote more and more and more government, regardless of the color of their skin, regardless of their political affiliation or anything else. I think the treason is bipartisan. And if you look at the Democrats, look at the people like the Governor, or Kennedy or somebody and they're promoting more and more government, every time you turn around, it's another government program. David Susskind So that the racial oppression in the disenfranchisement of Blacks in Alabama doesn't upset you too much? Charles Smith DS-306 19:35 I'll tell you the honest goodness truth. The answer to your question is no. I think the problem, whatever race problem we have can be solved. But I think they've been deliberately perpetuated by a clique of people who knew what they were doing. I think before you can ever bring about racial trouble in this country, you first have to divide the racist. And I think when you start examining the roots and origins of this conspiracy and the methods, you're going to discover that segregation came to America, not as a result of the normal desire of the American people to be segregated. Oh, no, it was promoted in this country by a clique of people who were in very key positions in the media,
01:20:12 1212	David Susskind 20:11 And communists in the media in 1777? Charles Smith DS-306 20:14 Now, just a minute in 1777, there was no question about status. There was slavery at that time, after the Civil War, you might get into the 1870s and 80s. And during that period, David Susskind 20:24 Promoted by communists in 1870? Charles Smith DS-306 20:26 Oh, sure. Listen, they were communists in this country at that time, David Susskind 20:29 There was communism? Charles Smith DS-306 20:30 Oh, sure. There were there were, there were people like, there were people like, put it this way. The conspiracy is older than communism. As a matter of fact, communism is just the largest arm of an international socialist conspiracy David Susskind 20:42 Is your major enemy, Mr. Smith, Communism in America in 1972? Charles Smith DS-306 20:48 Well I'll tell you the honest to goodness, truth. Let's look at it this way, David, let's suppose that you and I were enemies. And we're fighting amongst ourselves. We're both Americans. We're fighting amongst ourselves for whatever reason. And suppose at the same time, we're fighting each other somebody is building a barbed wire fence around, it's a concentration camp. One day we wake up, and we're in a concentration camp. Now, at that point, we have only one problem. And that is how to give it to the dictator. What I'm saying to you is in America, our first job is to keep ourselves free.
01:21:17 1277.83	David Susskind 21:17 Do we have a dictator? Charles Smith DS-306 21:18 You know, we almost got one, Richard Nixon. You're darn right. As a matter of fact, as a matter of fact, I think that I said that treason was bipartisan, you're going to discover here that the whole idea of dictatorship is to concentrate all the power in an executive branch of government, and then to control that branch. And I think you can see right now that they just take a case of the 18 year old vote, which was completely unconstitutional. The Congress for whatever reason, passed this phony law, the President said it was unconstitutional, but he signed it, which was a violation of his oath of office, and then their Supreme Court rubber stamped it. Now the separation of powers in the Constitution, the checks and balances have been completely destroyed by a conspiracy operating in and through the United States government. And as you can see it right now even the president is getting more and more and more power doing things by ?s. My goodness, I'll tell you the truth I I was of the personal opinion, that when Richard Nixon went to China, that basically he should have been tried for treason. That's what it was. David Susskind 22:24 In case you had no way of suspecting it, most of the audience are friends of our guests on the panel, we'll be back in a minute.
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01:22:56 1376.79	Show returns David Susskind 22:57 Mr. Stang, not much has been heard from the Birch Society in recent years, I wonder whether your membership is dwindled, the Communist conspiracy has lessened in the minds of most Americans, or perhaps the public isn't interested in what you have to say anymore. Alan Stang DS-306 23:11 No, on the contrary, I find that the Birch Society is making more progress now. David Susskind 23:18 By what do you measure that? How big is your membership? Alan Stang DS-306 23:19 I don't know exactly what the membership is. That's not my department. David Susskind 23:22 But does anybody know. Mr. Allen, do you know? Alan Stang DS-306 23:24 No, it's not his department either. But if you David Susskind whose department is the membership? Alan Stang call up one of the executives of the Birch Society, like Mr. Thomas Hill, the National Director of Field Activities, I'm sure he had a more accurate answer.
01:23:36 1416.43	David Susskind 23:37 Those who know don't say, and those who say don't know, what does that mean? How many members do you think you have? Scott Stanley DS-306 23:44 Somewhere around 80,000 or so. David Susskind 23:47 In a country of 208 million? And how old are you? Scott Stanley DS-306 23:52 Well, we're, we're a little over a decade old, David Susskind 23:55 10 years old. And you've got 80,000 members Alan Stang DS-306 23:58 Mr. Susskind, and I think an important point should be made here, which is this, that even though at this time, we are making more progress than ever in terms of David Susskind 24:06 By what definition? Alan Stang DS-306 24:07 Well, if you'll let me continue I'll tell you. In terms of the people joining the organization, which I see because I get a chance to travel all around the country on speaking tours and covering stories, David Susskind 24:18 Numbers? Alan Stang DS-306 24:19 In terms of numbers, quantity, whichever word you care to use in terms of subscriptions to our magazines, in terms of attendance at our speeches, for example, on our speaking tours, which I go on. In terms of the type of people who are there, non members, the members. In all these ways I see more and more influence, I see the fact that we are growing in influence across the United States. And I think that an important fact here is this that we should underline, and we're coming back to something you raised earlier, which is the media, you say that you haven't heard of our activities. You said in the dressing room, you thought that we had expired, and I'm sure that this is true in many minds. And the reason for this is simply that the American people aren't being told about what we do. The truth about the John Birch Society is being suppressed just as the truth about the Conspiratorial Council on Foreign Relations is being suppressed. David Susskind 24:23 Suppressed by whom? Who suppresses you? Alan Stang DS-306 24:35 It is being suppressed by the people who control the media. Because the conspirators David Susskind and these seem to be cbs, Time Magazine and Look's gone Alan Stang Correct, correct. And because the conspirators that Mr. Allen is talking about in his book who control our government control all our institutions, and the press is one of the key ones.
01:25:23 1523.96	David Susskind 25:23 But you once got a lot of publicity. You were on the air, Mr. Wells was on every other show. Alan Stang DS-306 25:26 We get publicity from time to time well lives Alan Stang DS-306 25:28 When the orders are issued for our organization to be destroyed. David Susskind 25:33 Who issued the orders to destroy you Alan Stang DS-306 25:34 Let me give you David Susskind 25:34 Wait a minute, wait a minute, just calm down. Who issues the orders to destroy you? Alan Stang DS-306 25:40 Well, let me give you an example of what I mean. On December 5th, 1960, the communists tell the World Congress in Moscow, and at that World Congress, the orders were issued that the John Birch Society should be destroyed. Two months later, David Susskind 25:52 Who issued the order? Alan Stang DS-306 25:53 The communists who ran this communist meeting in Moscow. David Susskind 25:55 Who? They were sitting the whole procedure and rose up said destroy them? Alan Stang DS-306 25:59 That's right! They rose up and they said kill him, destroy them, wipe them out! David Susskind 26:03 Again, at that point, you would have been what? Alan Stang DS-306 26:04 Yeah. May I proceed? David Susskind 26:06 No, because I don't know who ordered you destroyed. Charles Smith DS-306 26:09 Khrushchev was the one who did it. Alan Stang DS-306 26:10 Let's go. Let's go for once again, who should have did it? Yeah, Charles Smith DS-306 26:12 When Khrushchev was over here, Khrushchev went home and said that there were forces in America, which were, he said, the communist couldn't complete their task of building a world government or whatever, David Susskind 26:20 Because of John Birch? Charles Smith DS-306 26:21 Until those forces were destroyed. And he named the John Birch Society, said they had to be subjected to torments of hell. Then they had that Congress, and they come up with the resolutions and appropriate things. And then we'll get the point there about the daily worker, I think other people's work. David Susskind 26:34 How did they proceed? Alright, the order went out. Khrushchev got up and said knock them off. Alan Stang DS-306 26:38 Right? That's what he said. Wipe them out destroy 'em! Ruin 'em! David Susskind 26:40 There must have been 8,000 of you then right? Mostly in Belmont, Massachusetts.
01:26:44 1604	Alan Stang DS-306 26:44 I really can't recall, ub 1960 I was playing stickball in the Bronx where I was a David Susskind 26:48 Right, right. But you were ordered destroyed? Alan Stang DS-306 26:51 Right. David Susskind 26:52 Because you were threatening the world communist movement. Alan Stang DS-306 26:54 That's right. We were, we were. David Susskind 26:55 Then what did they do to destroy you? Alan Stang DS-306 26:57 Well, then in February of 1961, an article appealed and appeared in the People's World, which is the West Coast Communist Party newspaper, as I'm sure you know. And in that David Susskind 27:06 Faithful reader of it. Alan Stang DS-306 27:10 And in that the newspaper, the orders were transmitted to the Party Faithful here in the United States that the destruction of the John Birch Society should commence. And immediately thereafter, in all the big mass media publications and on the network programs, we began to hear that the John Birch Society should be destroyed almost in exactly the same language that the orders first appeared in People's World in February of 1961. Now let me ask an interesting question.
01:27:33 1653.83	David Susskind 27:33 Destroy 'em how? Kill 'em kick 'em? I mean, how does- Alan Stang DS-306 27:36 Simply by denouncing the organization and. Charles Smith DS-306 27:38 Racist, fascist, anti semitic by smearing. Look? Well, what he's trying to get at is real simple. The article appeared in the People's World. And that is just a few weeks later, the same article appeared in the Time Magazine. And when the article appeared in Time Magazine, it was a it was the exact word for word atd what appeared in this communist press. The only difference was that the Time magazine claimed they researched the thing. Now how in the world you're going to research something and come up with a word for word thing exactly was in the Communist Party newspaper? The point is this, that the people world reached about 5,000 people that's all. But Time magazine reaches 5 million people. And so here here was something appeared in this little communist press, and all of a sudden it spread to 5 million people. And then the thing picked up and all over the news media it went. David Susskind 28:21 Do you remember a point in time at which offices of the John Birch Society did have access to television and radio shows and newspaper interviews? I can remember John Welsh being everywhere every time you turn a knob well, not John Welsh but Robert Welsh, your founding father, he was on Meet the Press, and he was on Issues and Answers and Face the Nation. I had Congressman Russolo, I had Schmitz I had all of your officers have access to the media and I jumped in, is it that they were perhaps not convincing? Gary Allen DS-306 28:51 No, I think that, you know, we prospered in adversity, the more viciously we were attacked, the more people say, well, I think I'll take a look and find out whether they are nuts or whatever, maybe they know what they're talking about. And I think it was somewhere along the line was decided that you're better off to quit kicking that horse because the horse kicks back. So now they found that if you just ignore it, it, things work a lot better. Let me give you an example. Because I got to sneak in another commercial on here. I wrote a biography of Richard Nixon called the Man Behind the Mask. It's a fairly thick book. It documents the conclusion that you started with, and I say he's a member of an elitist conspiracy to control the world.
01:29:29 1769.22	David Susskind 29:29 A right wing conspiracy, or communist conspiracy. Gary Allen DS-306 29:33 The Communist conspiracy is subsidiary to the conspiracy run out of New York, London, and Paris, which I go into in this book and my other book. Now, this book has been, you haven't- an unbook. If you don't get reviewed in certain places, like the New York Times and places like that, you've got an unbook. it just well not exist for all practical purposes. Now, everybody and their brother and their horse is writing a biography of Richard Nixon this year. They're discussing his psychiatric problems and what his little traumas as a child and all that, and it gets reviewed everywhere. Anybody can write a book on Richard Nixon and it has reviewed everywhere. My book has been reviewed in about 10 Newspapers all favorably of what's the biggest is probably the Indianapolis Star. But in any of the places that count, I can't get my book reviewed. Now, whether that's intellectual bigotry, or whatever it is, David Susskind DS-306 30:25 Could it be an indictment of your book? Could it be, so perhaps, uh Gary Allen DS-306 30:32 I wish they would come out and tear it apart! Just mention my name, spell the name right. You know, let's tell people it exists. Alan Stang DS-306 30:39 Mr. Allen's book has sold almost 3 million copies and the New York Times has called him up and they've asked me, how did you how did you sell almost 3 million copies without going through the usual distributing sources? So that they know the book exists because they've written about it in the news pages on the political pages. But here it is David Susskind 30:43 Is it possible, I haven't read Nixon, but is it possible the Man Behind the Mask, but is it possible It's, it's libelous? Is it possible? It's full of legal issues Gary Allen DS-306 31:05 His quotes, liberal sources of people praising Nixon, I think, I wish you would read it. I wish other people would David Susskind 31:14 Look, I had such a tough time on it. And I'm here call it conspiracy. I can't take on another book Alan Stang DS-306 31:19 You can't take on another 138 pages? Gary Allen DS-306 31:20 Well, you're not as intellectual as I thought you were. But if you're if your people will send $1 to my publishing firm 2686 PO Box 2686. Seal Beach, we'll send them 144 pages. I'll bet they can read it. And I'll bet most of them will understand it.
01:31:41 1901.74	David Susskind 31:42 I did read it. And I think I understood it. Gary Allen DS-306 31:44 Did you find anything in there that wasn't true? David Susskind 31:45 I don't know. Because it seemed to me to be sort of Gary Allen DS-306 31:47 Kind of overwhelmed? David Susskind 31:49 Bizarre. Gary Allen DS-306 31:50 Bizarre. Hey, wait a minute! Let me let me interject a question, sir. David Susskind 31:53 Sick terribly sick. Gary Allen DS-306 31:54 Can you give me an example? David Susskind 31:56 Yeah, I will. right after this message.
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01:32:28 1948.07	David Susskind 32:28 We have so little time, I'll tell you one of the things about the book, the idea that the Council of Foreign Affairs Gary Allen DS-306 32:34 Council On Foreign Relations, David Susskind 32:35 Foreign Relations is somehow a terrible conspiracy against everything we hold sacred in this country. And its membership includes all of not all, but a number of, of the top Americans that we had celebrated through many decades. David Susskind 32:51 Alger Hiss was a member of it. David Susskind 32:52 Alger Hiss was a member of it yeah. Gary Allen DS-306 32:53 Sure he was. David Susskind 32:53 So were the Rockefellers it was heard, there's? and Secretaries of the Treasury. So we Gary Allen DS-306 32:59 That's why we say there's not a dimes worth of difference between the two political parties, because whether you have Democrats or Republicans, that shift is never made. You have the same policies go on and on because you have Council on Foreign Relations people running the government under Democrats and Council on Foreign Relations people running the government under Republicans. Don't you think that's a little strange? David Susskind 33:17 Mr. Allen, let me ask you a question. How large do you think the communist conspiracy in the United States is? David Susskind 33:23 Well, if you fall for- David Susskind 33:25 Membership of the party, membership of the party, devoted to the party, Gary Allen DS-306 33:28 It means nothing. It means nothing! David Susskind 33:29 It means nothing? Gary Allen DS-306 33:30 It's just put down there to confuse people like you. The the Gus, if you are fixated at the Gus Hall level of communism, then you don't know where it's at basically.
01:33:41 2021.92	David Susskind 33:41 Alright, alright, you made a good point. Should I be fixated at the Ted Kennedy and David Rockefeller level of. ? Gary Allen DS-306 33:47 Much better place to be fixated, yes, because that's where the power comes from. That's where the money is. That's where the grab for the government is. The guys down in the street, are just playing into the hands. You know, we're caught between people at the bottom out throwing bombs, and people at the top. Now both of them are for Socialism, and the other 98% of us are caught in the middle. And the rest of we're all victims, you know, whether you're a liberal or a conservative, you're a victim of these people. Gary Allen DS-306 33:49 Now how does it profit some of the men you've described that this country's so it's sold to the communist conspiracy? Gary Allen DS-306 34:19 No, you misunderstand. I don't think you really read the book. David Susskind 34:22 I did read the book, it's not easy. I read the book. Gary Allen DS-306 34:24 You read the book? See I thought it was pretty simple. David Susskind 34:27 But how does it profit those rich, powerful men? Gary Allen DS-306 34:31 We're dealing here with a clique of egomaniacal, individuals who want all power. You know, we know that there's existed these kinds of people throughout history, the Caesars and people like that. We're not supposed to believe that those kinds of people exist today, or that they would live in penthouses. But when you look to see who finances the communists, you keep getting back to the same places and it keeps coming back to the Rockefellers. Now, isn't it strange that the Rockefellers who were supposed to be the number one victims of the communists have been financing the Communist Party clear back to the Bolshevik Revolution. You know, I have a whole chapter in the book on the communists and the Rockefellers, based on the research done by Professor Anthony Sutton at the Hoover Institute in Stanford University. Now, I assume you read that chapter and you didn't you find that chapter revealing that there was this connection between the Rockefellers and the communists going clear back to 1917? David Susskind 35:26 I found it wild and horrific.
01:35:28 2128.6	Gary Allen DS-306 35:29 And what in there wasn't true? David Susskind 35:31 Well, all the charges. Well I don't want to get into that book because the public hasn't read this book and won't know what we're talking about. Scott Stanley DS-306 35:35 Unsupported charges, Mr. Susskind? Alan Stang DS-306 35:39 In other words, the basis for- David Susskind 35:40 Look, what do Blacks have to gain from the Birch Society? Tell me that. Charles Smith DS-306 35:46 What do you see they haven't read the book Gary Allen DS-306 35:47 Well you see they haven't read the book. Don't you understand me? To bait the book, they don't know what we're talking about? Gary Allen DS-306 35:51 Well, but you're saying Professor Sutton is making all these wild unsubstantiated charges, which I just quoted in my book. Now, Scott Stanley DS-306 36:00 What's the title of that book again? David Susskind 36:04 Mr. Smith, it staggers me that Blacks find the John Birch Society somehow rewarding for them, or at least for you. What do they have to offer the Black people in the United States? Charles Smith DS-306 36:17 Well, I, I don't like questions based on race. But I'm gonna answer this one anyway. What Negroes in this country want? What the ordinary guy wants - to be left alone. To pursue his life as individual American. This is what we all want, as a matter of fact. David Susskind 36:29 No, I don't think that's what he wants. Charles Smith DS-306 36:31 Oh, sure it is. I'll put it for you this way, we didn't ask for handouts from the government.
01:36:41 2201.04	David Susskind 36:41 Who didn't? Charles Smith DS-306 36:42 the Negro people didn't. But old Hubert Humphrey and the boys always sayin' we want those things. We didn't ask for welfare. We want jobs. But Humphrey and McGovern, and Nixon and ? put us on welfare. We want to be left alone. No, think about it. David Susskind 36:58 If you're left alone, how will you get jobs? Charles Smith DS-306 37:00 Now, if you think we're somehow different. Now, think about it a moment? Do you want someone to tell you where to work, or where to live, or when to get up or when to go to sleep or anything like that. You want to be left alone to be David Susskind. You don't want anybody stepping on your toes and punching you in the nose and spitting on you or anything like that. And this is what everybody wants. The problem in America as far as racism is that we were not left alone. David Susskind 37:22 Mr. Smith, If you're left alone, and you are undereducated and the average Black, in a city like New York, or Detroit, or Pittsburgh, or any major cities, starting equal with the White student, after about five years is two years behind in reading proficiency and arithmetic. If you're left alone, how will you catch up> Charles Smith DS-306 37:44 Hold on there a second, that's just not so. As a matter of fact, David Susskind 37:47 You want to end welfare? Charles Smith DS-306 37:49 You're darn right I want to end welfare because I'm paying for it. Let me put it to you this way, if one man comes in my house and taks some of my property, some of my money or food or whatever, and uses it for his own benefit, that's called stealing. If the government comes and takes upon me and gives it to him, it's still stealing.
01:38:10 2290.19	David Susskind 38:10 If you were to get rid of welfare in this particular city, Mr. Smith if you ended welfare in New York City, three quarter of a million Blacks would starve to death. What would you do about that? Charles Smith DS-306 38:19 You know something? No, no, I tell you something, if you started, you don't want to kill a patient children. Wait a minute, you don't want to kill a patient when you women and children? David Susskind 38:27 Well, most of them are. Charles Smith DS-306 38:30 You don't want to kill the patient. Now, you didn't get a lot of Negroes on welfare in one month. In other words, it took years to build up this welfare syndrome to force people to want to be on welfare, and there are very few Negros on welfare as a percentage of the population. Now it's going to take years to undo that. So what we're saying is that you go, the way that the way to stop that is to, let's say, stop this concentration of power in government. David Susskind 38:57 What would you do tomorrow morning. I mean, all these theories are great, but what would you do about the big cities right now? About three quarters of the Black population is on welfare in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia? Charles Smith DS-306 39:09 No it isn't. No, no, see that's what's wrong. No you're wrong. Alan Stang DS-306 39:12 Your drinking is getting to you! Charles Smith DS-306 39:13 Now wait a minute Dave, if you look at the stats, just take something like simple statistics, you know, if you did that, and you took the unemployment level, and this is what the Left is always harping on unemployment. They say, look, the White people got 5% unemployment, the Negroes got 10. Now how in the world is that add up to three quarters of negroes being on welfare? That's impossible. What you got is 90% of Negro people working. And you got maybe 5% or 6% or 10% on welfare. And the cameras always focused on the welfare. David Susskind 39:44 Mr. Smith, I said that there was there are roughly a million and a quarter people on welfare in the city. Charles Smith DS-306 39:49 You said three-quarters David Susskind 39:50 And three quarters of a million of them are Black, would you throw them off welfare? What would you do about it? Charles Smith DS-306 39:55 No wait a minute now, wait a minute now you've got to end welfare, you got to get people and send them to work. Now I think, for instance, that charity, private charity is what should handle it. Actually, if I didn't have to pay all the taxes, I might have some money to give over to someone on charity, as it is, now, I can't afford charity. I got just enough that I can take care of my own family. And I think that David Susskind 40:15 So you're saying that Blacks well off should take care of the Blacks that need to be on welfare, Charles Smith DS-306 40:21 I'm saying that this is a Christian thing, as a matter of fact, that if you are, you're in need, and I've got something extra, that as a Christian, I should give you something. That's charity, and what I give you or lend you, whatever shouldn't push you down. But it should lift you up. And welfare is designed to grate people down because it creates dependency. And what you've got is now they call third or fourth generation welfare recipients. Now what kind of system is that? You put more people on welfare, that means I got to pay more, he got to pay more, he got to pay more, then you put more people on. Now Nixon's gonna double welfare with a so called Family Assistance Plan. Now if you keep putting more people on welfare. And pretty soon the line between those who work and those who don't begins to disappear. Because I worked let's say 40 hours a week and make X number of dollars. Here's a guy on welfare. And he gets the same amount of money being on welfare. Well, I'll just quit and go over the welfare. And that's the kind of system you're getting in this country.
01:41:14 2474.42	David Susskind 41:15 What would you do final question before the commercial? What would you do about the mother with four children? And no husband? Charles Smith DS-306 41:23 Well I'll tell you about them mothers and children. First of all, I'm of the firm belief that like with my family, I got married, and I take care of my family. And I think you got married, you take care of your family. That's individual responsibility. Now, if a woman got four kids, and she's been married, and her husband left her, well, that's her own problem. She made a darn poor choice of a mate. David Susskind 41:46 How should she feed herself? Charles Smith DS-306 41:48 Well, she got to go get herself a job. That's how. David Susskind 41:51 What is she doing with the children? Charles Smith DS-306 41:54 You know what? I'll tell you something. I tell you something, that that is one of the considerations you have to make even before you get married. It's what kind of guy you're going to marry? David Susskind 42:02 Will he run away from you? Charles Smith DS-306 42:03 Yeah, that's right. David Susskind 42:04 Will he impregnate you four times?
01:42:05 2525.85	Alan Stang DS-306 42:06 That's something we haven't considered that here too. And this is this, that the reason there are so many people on welfare at the current moment is that all this totalitarian collectivist propaganda as Charles is saying has been forcing them and pushing them onto welfare. But if we return gradually and steadily to a genuinely free system in which everybody, the working man, is allowed to keep, Black and White, is allowed to keep the money that he earns with his own hands, there would be no incentive, no economic incentive for this woman to develop a situation where she has four children and her husband has left her and we have all these women in the baby business on the welfare roles. Scott Stanley We're paying women to have illegitimate children. The system is designed to corrupt, we're talking about a conspiracy. I defy you to devise a system which could be more destructive to people without education. It was a plan, a part of the early plan to weaken the American Indian to put him across the board on the dole. Give him his bread then we controlled him. As we weakened him we weakened him. And we took what was one of the most self reliant and noble peoples inf the world, certainly one of the finest cavalries in all history, and took that people and made them lick spittles in the Southwestern plains. And it was done by exactly the kind of welfare that is being applied by the collectivist system to Black people, and to Chicanos and to others. David Susskind 43:44 So your answer today would be all of you people on welfare, get off and make your own way. We're not gonna underwrite you. Charles Smith DS-306 43:51 Now wait a minute, no, David Susskind 43:52 No, that's what you said! we're not going to underwrite you. Charles Smith DS-306 43:53 Look, you have to undo it, it's like done. And if you got a long knot you want to untie it. You don't take a razor blade and just pullt it down because you destroy the string. You got to undo those knots one at a time. Now look. Scott Stanley DS-306 44:04 You've got to want to undo it to begin with, and that's that's a place to begin, you say it's wrong, this system is wrong. It's rotten. It's bad. Let's try to undo it rather than saying as Mr. Nixon says, what we really need is to work up some kind of febrile and frenetic and a magnificent hyperbolic system which will get everybody on the welfare. You're, you're having a problem, sister, you will you've got 17 illegitimate children, come on, go have 18 have 19 have 20. We'll raise the we'll raise the dole to 7000 and 8000 a year, which is what welfare is worth in this country today! David Susskind But I thought he said , I thought he said 2400. Scott Stanley DS-306 44:41 Oh, he starts at 24. But that's not the whole package. That's just a portion of the package just on the edge of the package. He wants to put another 10 or 12 million Americans on the welfare dole. The people, the people who pay for this, the the people who who make the $200 a week or less who pay 90% of the income taxes, the people who pay for this nonsense say enough. Stop it. That's, that's it, I went off. And I think I think that's the kind of middle American attitude that, that our sort of conservatism is reflecting..
01:45:17 2716.98	David Susskind 45:16 And their practical political hope is to elect George Wallace.(Stanley: Whose?) These people these $200 a week and less earners that are paying for all this nonsense? Scott Stanley DS-306 45:25 I think that'd be a damn good beginning. David Susskind 45:28 George Wallacw. Well, we'll be back in one minute.
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01:45:59 2759.78	David Susskind 46:00 What would be your final message to the audience? That the communist conspiracy is dark and dangerous and uh Gary Allen DS-306 46:08 Know that it's run out of New York, London and Paris, not Peking and Moscow. And, David, I'd like to close by saying, I've been watching your show for 12 years, and you've played this poor, befuddled confused role. And I just hope you've learned something tonight from listening to people like Charlie Smith and Alan Stang and Scott Stanley. David Susskind 46:26 What would you like me to learn? What's the key thing? That there are people in London and Paris and New York that are selling this country down the river? Gary Allen DS-306 46:33 And more in Washington. I don't think we should leave out Washington and Henry Kissinger. David Susskind 46:36 And that they can be rich, powerful industrialists and politicians? Gary Allen DS-306 46:40 Yes, they use Communism as a tool to enslave us. But the Communist conspiracy goes far beyond Communism, and the Gus Hall level. I hope this fixation you have about Gus Hall and his 12,000 has been somewhat cured tonight. And if you'll read my book again, but maybe you understand it better the second time.
01:47:01 2821.33	David Susskind 47:01 You make out that the powerful that power and Fascism and Communism are all one in the same, right? Gary Allen DS-306 47:06 Well, yes, we believe that if you have a dictatorial government, it doesn't matter what kind of label you put on. You know, Adolf Hitler said he accomplished what Karl Marx set out to do. They were Blood Brothers, it was Naziism was the National Socialist Party. We're against Socialism, whether you call it National Socialism, or International Socialism, and the same people that bankrolled the Bolshevik Revolution also bankrolled Hitler. Now, I hope that would give you some kind of a clue that maybe there's something involved here that goes a little deeper than the typical stereotypes that most of us labor under. David Susskind 47:40 What would you have done about Vietnam? Would you have dropped one of the major weapons that we didn't use? Atomic? Scott Stanley DS-306 47:46 I was determined to go into Vietnam from the beginning and win the war. What what happened was that 80, 90% of the key strategic targets were were off limits from the beginning. You go in, you hit the dikes of the Red River, you go up to the and you hit the steel mills, your mine the harbors, you stop the military supply from coming in. Now, the President did that. He finally moved along along about April, but my God, this war has been going on and on and on and on. And finally, they mined the harbor. And they said, well, we were scared to do it before. Nonsense, there was advantage to carrying on that war. The result of that War was to move the whole of the nation to the left. To prepare the nation to accept more and more collectivism, to give it more and more of an inflationary situation whereby it was possible for the President to move in and to to introduce the most collectivist scheme ever introduced in this country where we just took over control of wages and prices.
01:48:43 2923.92	David Susskind 48:44 We're almost out of time. And I want to ask you by way of summary, what would you urge Americans to be careful about watchful about? What is it that they can see? Charles Smith DS-306 48:54 Let me let me answer that question. David Susskind 48:56 What should alarm them? Charles Smith DS-306 48:57 What what the American people what anybody can see is that both major parties, and the major politicians voted by the news media are always promoting more and more government. And you can make the observation that if you keep getting more and more programs down here amongst the people, and they keep getting more and more power up there in Washington, D.C., one day, you're going to have total programs and they're going to have total power. What they're after in Washington, D.C. what the Rockefellers and Eton's and Nixon's and Kissinger's and the governments are after is total power in the central government. Anybody can look at television, and you can see it every day, especially with so called party platforms coming up, or the way they promote this sort of business. More and more government and that's the key. And what we're saying to the American people is don't vote for any candidate, no matter what you think of the candidate. David Susskind 49:43 Stay away from the polls, Charles Smith DS-306 49:44 If he's promising you more government as a solution to problems, don't vote for any candidate offering you more government. Scott Stanley DS-306 49:49 Find somebody who wants to get the government off your back. And that's, that's, that's somebody who's prepared to stand up and say, Look, the the the Department of Health, Education and Welfare is already spending more on socialist schemes than the Defense Department is spending to to preserve our national security. It's time to draw the line and cut off the socialism and back down the collectivism that way we will break the conspiracy. David Susskind 50:14 Back in a minute.
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01:50:46 3046.49	David Susskind 50:46 Time went too fast, please, gentlemen, come back again. I'd like to pick up where we left off. In the meantime, if you want to read an extraordinary book, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen. Write him at Seal Beach, California for $1. They'll send you his book. Or any American bookstore said a lady in the audience. Anyway, join us again next week at the same time, till then, good night.
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